DIY repair Al1411dv

Details: al1411dv do-it-yourself repair from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.

When the battery is connected, the BOSCH AL 1411 DV charger imitates activity - the green light starts flashing, depicting the charging process, it can flash for 5 and 10 hours, then it lights up constantly green - like charging is over. In fact, nothing is loaded. The voltage at the terminals when connected corresponds to the battery (that is, the charger does not give anything). At the output from the transformer by zeros.

There are no signs of burning on the board.

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A good friend called here and says - he was charging Shurik, the plugs were knocked out, the charger is intact, the parts are clean, but it does not work. Lan, take it.
I brought it, I open it, I assess the scale of the disaster. Gary doesn't really. I hang a multimeter on the drain-shutter of the key in the BB-part - a breakdown. Leave it, Andryush, it's a pitchfork.
This is the first part of the repair, and then there will be another and the second:

Video (click to play).

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A wonderful memory worked immediately and without whims. I immediately climbed onto the drain, I had to make sure that the STD7NM60 did not throw back its hooves. The voltage margin, it turns out, is almost non-existent. 540V in impulse, frequency 130 kHz.

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Final run with battery. OK

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Well, the scheme of the hot part with all the giblets, some other-speaking person helped me a lot.

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Bosch is a fat failure for all this crap. For varnish, shitty components and a stupid charger that they blinded from this shit. Judging by the descriptions, these chargers fly every first.
I am also grateful for the psto on the “Monitor”. I'll bring it here. Found after repair 🙂

Here are some more recommendations for this charger -
his board is very bad, so any attempt to solder the parts, the signet flies off before you heat the tin on the leg.
I adapted to change the parts without soldering their ends - I cut the cuts at the root and solder new ones to their legs right from above -
from below, ideal factory soldering, also with tranzuk 3904 (instead of it, the smd version is perfectly soldered), diodes and field,
the board is varnished so that soldering is very problematic,
another 3.6 ohms stands between a large condo and a radiator - it is difficult to bite it out, and I solder new ones directly from the side of the tracks -
again, it’s very convenient to get a smd summary, there just the paths pass nearby, I clean it with a scalpel, a puddle and plant a smd summary,
only it is necessary to carefully remove the soot from the plzma and varnish of burnt parts from the front side with a scalpel. “

The colleague's problem is solved, the deadline is already a long time, but let the newcomer contribute, for posterity. I also ran into the same problem with TS. Thank you for coming across this forum and this thread, here's my situation:
In the first two photos, the same board, the same charger:
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In the following photos, a light resistor closest to the microcircuit, R5 - 100 kOhm, according to your schemes. Pay attention to it, I needed to solder and check all the transistors, diodes, thermistor. until I noticed that under the layer of varnish there is no leg for this resistor.
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This photo clearly shows the marking of the microcircuit, I don’t know who needs it or will help, but this has been asked more than once:
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In the last photo, I showed that I changed the thyristor 208 to 408, there were no other options in the store, I will return my native one:
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Thanks to everyone above for the advice and help!

Hello. I’m glad that the problems with the chargers were resolved. And I have a problem with the battery. It died, it doesn’t hold a charge. The battery voltage is 14.4V. I thought I could put 4 LiIons instead. Can anyone suggest a charger for these purposes that needs to be redone, a regular Bosch AL 1411 DV.

rus38 wrote:
.And I have a problem with the battery. It died, it does not hold a charge. Batteries are new metal hydride at 160 rubles / piece. The battery voltage is 14.4V. I thought I could put 4 LiIons instead. Can anyone suggest a charger for these purposes that needs to be redone, a regular Bosch AL 1411 DV.

It's not that easy (IMHO).
By the maximum voltage during charging, the cut-off can be found, and the finished board can be soldered into the charge, and it is difficult to find the minimum for such currents for a screwdriver. Is it just a compact voltmeter to watch yourself and if anything run to charge.
In addition, you will need batteries with good current output and with the same parameters. I’ll roughly calculate, banks of 8, controller 20, voltmeter 10, total 54ue. You need 2 batteries, one is always not enough. “Lithium” cannot be soldered, there is a big chance to overheat, only contact welding with nickel ribbons, you are unlikely to do it yourself, you need to carry it to specialists for repacking, this is still a lot. Think for yourself.

rus38 wrote:
.And I have a problem with the battery. It died, it does not hold a charge. Batteries are new metal hydride at 160 rubles / piece. Battery voltage 14.4V.

Battery brand? Did you measure the voltage at each bank under load?

The fact that the battery died is undeniable. I didn’t measure the voltage on the banks under load, but the self-discharge is simply amazing. In a week, the entire charge evaporates. Yes, and the charged one does not pull very long. .What's the point of putting new ones with half-killed ones? There are more capacious “Minamoto MH-3000 SC / HP” on sale, you can switch to them. For soldering Li-Ion, you can try the Rosé alloy so as not to overheat. banks, it's not a pity if they burn.

rus38 wrote:
I thought maybe put LiIon 4pcs instead.

look, maybe this option will be more useful ” > still uses the alteration.

An interesting idea. It turns out a native charger in the trash, buy a Chinese one, redo the battery. Is it really not possible to transfer the charger itself? .3 batteries in the battery.

rus38 wrote:
Isn't it possible to transfer the charger itself?

Yes, it can also be redone, but you will need to buy another balancer and a 14-volt power supply

rus38 wrote:
Connectors B1 and B2 are the most incomprehensible and mysterious.

these are balancing plugs, they monitor the voltage on each of the 3 batteries in the battery

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rus38 wrote:
It turns out a native charger in the trash, you buy a Chinese one, you remake the battery.

With “lithium” (a capricious and capricious young lady), “jokes” are bad, he does not forgive, like the good old “cadmium” overcharge with overheating or overdischarge.

That's why lithium is weighted with a balancer with temperature sensors. And such controllers are built into any lithium battery (phone, laptop, fotik, Shurik, etc.).

Lithium cannot be operated without “brains” for both charge and discharge.

On cadmium, if a recharge has already begun due to too long charging, it heats up a little, and if which bank of the entire bunch was discharged more than others or discharged, or the capacity is different, the excess energy is relatively safely converted into heat and safely distributed between the cans and that's all, there's nothing to be afraid of.

And lithium, if it is recharged, there will be a fire or a boom, and if you recharge it a couple of times deeply, death in the form of a premature and inevitable loss of capacity.

So, in order to insert a battery and a charger and forget, and not touch it and not look and not be on duty near it with a voltmeter, lithium should be automatically controlled by checking the personal voltage on each bank this time (this is a cut-off for maximum voltage) and thermal sensors - it's two.
In smart chargers, there is also a balancing circuit, which during the charging process regulates the charging current on each bank, depending on its degree of wear.
(Although in Bosch the baby there is no such balancer during charging, as in most chargers for Shuriks)

And during operation, the controller makes sure that there is no voltage drop again on each bank, a little sharply cuts off the load.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Q: Do balancing chargers have temperature monitoring? In my opinion, they don’t even look at the temperature sensor at all. Maybe the electric brains can glitch and limit the current on the sick bank, then the temperature sensor would be reinsured. Or what kind of resistor can burn out in a balancing circuit and it will completely thrash around. Or is it all unlikely?

rus38 wrote:
do balancing chargers have temperature monitoring?

rus38 wrote:
Or is it all very unlikely?

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My traffic burned out on Bosch AL 1411 DV iskat 15v-1A or 18v-1?

Charger Bosch AL60DV 1419 7.2-14.4 v, 14.4 v 2.4 Ah is written on the battery
I insert the battery (voltage on the battery is 14.74) - the diode does not light up and does not blink.
If “” acc put on charge, and shorting the K-E at V7 “” - 18.34 v

all contacts are soldered. whole diodes. temperature sensor on a 6.08 kOhm battery, I don’t know where to dig.

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On TYN 208, it goes directly from the trance, and not as in the circuit - through diodes!

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Measurements: - on the minus
1- 7,5
2- 0
3- 0
4-(-0,9)
5- 22,8
6- 4,5
7- 4,9
8- 4,9

Balu0389 wrote:
Charger Bosch AL60DV 1419 7.2-14.4 v, 14.4 v 2.4 Ah is written on the battery
I insert the battery (voltage on the battery is 14.74) - the diode does not light up and does not blink.
If “” acc put on charge, and shorting the K-E at V7 “” - 18.34 v

all contacts are soldered. whole diodes. temperature sensor on a 6.08 kOhm battery, I don’t know where to dig.

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On TYN 208, it goes directly from the trance, and not as in the circuit - through diodes!

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/ the diagram looks like the one drawn above - does not fit my .. /
Measurements: - on the minus
1- 7,5
2- 0
3- 0
4-(-0,9)
5- 22,8
6- 4,5
7- 4,9
8- 4,9

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Ivan_90, For those who have the same question, I will answer (better late than never): The transformer is exactly 18V at the output. Power 28W (declared on the charger case) Bosch AL1411DV, so the current should be approximately 1.5A. In short, the transformer is 18V 1.5A output. Moreover, the use of a low-frequency transformer (linear PSU) in this charger is not accidental, it charges not with direct current (DC), but with a pulsating voltage of 100Hz (double half-waves 50Hz taken from a 220V city), without a smoothing capacitor. According to some reports, this mode of charging Ni-Cd batteries is quite effective.

I'm not sure if the transformer burned out. It may have overheated and the thermal fuse has tripped. In this case, the transformer can be restored! The thermal fuse in this transformer is wound to the winding from the outside, if you remove the cover from the windings from the 220V input side, then you can try to replace the thermal fuse. The thermal fuse leads are connected to the extreme petals of the transformer from the 220V input side. There must be resistance between the extreme petals (DC)

0 Ohm - thermal fuse. Winding (primary) is connected to the right and middle petals - resistance (DC)

90 Ohm. The 220V cord is soldered to the left and middle petals. If the primary winding (middle and right petals) ring, and the extreme petals do not ring among themselves (resistance is infinity), then you just need to replace the thermal fuse! It is better to restore the native transformer than the one that was found.

There is some confusion about how to correctly name the TYN208: call it “SCR” or “thyristor”. The fact is that in the USSR, the entire family of controlled diodes, including dinistors, trinistors and triacs, was often called thyristors.However, the word trinistors probably did not take root and they began to call the thyristor what is called “trinistor” in the old writer. And SCR (simply SCR) is the marketing name of a “trinistra” or, as it is more understandable, a thyristor, i.e. controlled unidirectional diode with unlocking contact (three pins).

Help with a subject.
Symptoms: Insert into the outlet - the indicator lights up constantly.
You connect the battery - the indicator will blink and glow constantly again. (When it was working, it blinked until the end of charging, then it glowed constantly.)
Accordingly, the battery is not charged.

The transformer is working, the diode bridge is normal.
There is no voltage at the terminals (without a connected battery). (Is it supposed to be? If the third pin is hanging in the air, should there be voltage?)
The battery was temporarily taken away, I can’t check the voltage under load.
Does it make sense to check the TYN208 thyristor (V5 on the radiator) or is it more likely to be in control?

Chip 6HKB 07501758.
Visual inspection revealed no problem. There was a suspicion of poor soldering in V5, soldered - the result is the same.

Charging is a bit similar to BOSCH AL1419DV, here is the diagram: ”>
Here is the diagram:

Available tools: multimeter, soldering iron. There is no oscilloscope.

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Briefly about the main components of the device.

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The video below shows how the multimeter works.

Consider the main causes of failure and how to deal with them.

Causes: the laser head is dirty or the laser is out of order.

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