Al1411dv DIY repair

Details: al1411dv DIY repair from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.

When the battery is connected, the BOSCH AL 1411 DV charger simulates the activity - a green light flashes, representing the charging process, it can flash for 5 and 10 hours, then it lights up constantly green - like charging is over. In fact, nothing is charged. When connected, the voltage at the terminals corresponds to the battery voltage (that is, the charger does not give anything back). At the output from the transformer by zeros.

There are no signs of burning on the board.

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A good friend called here and said - he charged the shura, knocked out the plugs, the charger is intact, the parts are clean, but does not work. Lan, take it.
I brought it, I open it, I estimate the scale of the disaster. Gary really isn't. I hang the multimeter on the drain-shutter of the key in the BB-part - a breakdown. Leave it, Andryush, it's a pitchfork.
This is the first part of the repair, and then there will be another second:

Video (click to play).

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Wonderful memory earned immediately and without whims. Immediately climbed to the drain, it was necessary to make sure that the STD7NM60 did not kick back. It turns out that there is almost no voltage margin. 540V impulse, frequency 130 kHz.

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Final run with battery. OK

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Well, and the diagram of the hot part with all the giblets, some foreign-speaking person helped me a lot.

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Bosch is a fat one for this shit. For varnish, shitty components and a stupid charger, which they blinded out of this shit. Judging by the descriptions, these chargers fly every first.
I am also grateful for the psto on the Monitor. I will give it here. Found it after renovation 🙂

here are some more recommendations for this charger -
his board is very bad, so any attempt to solder the parts of the seal flies off before you heat the tin on the leg.
I have adapted to change the parts without soldering their ends - I cut them to the root of the cutters and solder new ones to their legs right from above -
below is an ideal factory soldering, also with a transyuk 3904 (instead of it, the smd option is perfectly soldered), diodes and a field worker,
the board is varnished so that soldering is very problematic,
another 3.6 ohms stands between the large kondeya and the radiator - it is difficult to bite it out, and I solder new ones directly from the side of the tracks -
again, it is very convenient to get smd rezyuk, there just the paths go by, I clean it with a scalpel, a puddle and plant smd rezyuk,
only it is necessary to carefully remove the soot from the plasma and varnish of burnt parts from the front side with a scalpe. "

The colleague's problem is solved, the deadline is already long, but let the newbie contribute, for posterity. I also ran into the same TS problem. Thank you for stumbling across this forum and this topic, here is my situation:
The first two photos show the same board, the same charger:
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In the following photos, a light resistor closest to the microcircuit, R5 - 100 kOhm, according to your circuits. Pay attention to it, I needed to rewire and check all the transistors, diodes, and theristor. until I noticed that under the layer of varnish there is no leg of this resistor.
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This photo clearly shows the marking of the microcircuit, I do not know who needs it or will help, but this has been asked more than once:
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In the last photo, I showed that I changed the thyristor 208 to 408, there were no other options in the store, I will return my own:
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Thanks to all of the above unsubscribed for advice and help!

Hello. I'm glad that the problems with the chargers have been solved. And I have a problem with the battery. It’s dead, it doesn’t hold a charge. The batteries are new metal hydride at 160 rubles / piece. The battery voltage is 14.4V. I thought I could put LiIon 4pcs instead. Someone can tell the charger for these purposes needs to be redone, the standard Bosch AL 1411 DV.

rus38 wrote:
. And I have a problem with the battery. It’s dead, does not hold a charge. The batteries are new metal hydride at 160 rubles / piece. The battery voltage is 14.4V. I thought I could put LiIon 4pcs instead. Someone can tell the charger for these purposes needs to be redone, the standard Bosch AL 1411 DV.

It's not that easy (IMHO).
By the maximum voltage during charging, the cutoff can be found, and the finished board can be soldered into the charging, and it is difficult to find at the minimum voltage for such currents for a screwdriver. Unless you just look at it yourself with a compact voltmeter and if anything, run to charge.
In addition, you will need batteries with good current output and with the same parameters. I will roughly count, banks of 8, controller 20, voltmeter 10, total 54ue. You need 2 batteries, one is always not enough. ”Lithium” cannot be soldered, there is a great chance of overheating, only contact welding with nickel strips, you will hardly do it yourself, you need to carry it to the specialists for repacking, this is still a lot. Think for yourself.

rus38 wrote:
. And I have a problem with the battery. It’s dead, does not hold a charge. The batteries are new metal hydride at 160 rubles / piece. Battery voltage 14.4V.

Battery brand? Did you measure the voltage on each bank under load?

The fact that the battery died is undoubted. The voltage on the banks under load did not measure, but the self-discharge is simply amazing. In a week, the entire charge evaporates. And the charged one does not last very long. The banks cost 2.4 Ah, standard Boshevsky ones. BUT if you change, then change everything. . Is there a point to put new ones with half-killed? There are more capacious “Minamoto MH-3000 SC / HP” on sale. For soldering Li-Ion, you can try the Rose alloy so as not to overheat. banks, do not mind if they burn.

rus38 wrote:
I thought I might put LiIon 4pcs instead.

see if this option will be more useful ”> is still using the rework.

An interesting idea. You get a native charger in the trash, buy a Chinese one, remake the battery. Isn't it possible to transfer the charger itself? I have a lipo screwdriver, there on the battery +, -, Thermal sensor, B1 and B2. Connectors B1 and B2 are the most incomprehensible and mysterious .3 accumulators in the battery.

rus38 wrote:
Isn't it possible to transfer the charger itself?

Yes, it can also be redone, but you will also need to buy a balancer and a 14 volt power supply

rus38 wrote:
Connectors B1 and B2 are the most incomprehensible and mysterious.

these are balancing connectors, they track the voltage on each of the 3 batteries in the battery

Redesign of chargers and more

rus38 wrote:
It turns out a native charger for the trash, you buy a Chinese one, you redo the battery.

With "lithium" (the young lady is capricious and wayward), "jokes" are bad, he does not forgive, like the good old "cadmium" overcharge with overheating or overdischarge.

Therefore, it is weighed with a lithium balancer with temperature sensors. And such controllers are built into any lithium battery (phone, laptop, fotyk, shura, etc.).

Lithium cannot be exploited without "brains" for both charge and discharge.

On cadmium, if a recharge has already started due to too long charging, it heats up a little for itself, and if which bank of the entire bundle was discharged more than others or is discharged, or the capacity is different, the excess energy is relatively safely transferred into heat and is safely distributed between the cans and that's all, there is nothing to be afraid of.

And lithium, if you recharge it, there will be a fire or broads, and if you recharge a couple of times deeply, death in the form of a premature and inevitable loss of capacity.

So, in order to insert the battery and the charger and forget, and not touch it and not look or be on duty near it with a voltmeter, lithium should be automatically controlled by checking the personal voltage on each bank this time (this is a cut-off for max.voltage) and temperature sensors- that's two.
In smart chargers, there is also a balancing circuit, which, during the charging process, regulates the charging current on each bank, depending on its degree of wear.
(Although Bosh-baby does not have such a balancer during charging, as in most chargers for shura)

And during operation, the controller looks so that there is no voltage drop again on each bank, it just sharply cuts off the load.

Thanks for the detailed clarification. The question is, do balancing chargers have temperature tracking? In my opinion, they do not even look at the thermal sensor at all. They can glitch and limit the current on a sick bank, then the thermal sensor would be reinsured. Or what kind of resistor can burn out in the balancing circuit and it will blow up in full. Or is it all very unlikely?

rus38 wrote:
do balancing chargers have temperature tracking?

rus38 wrote:
Or is it all very unlikely?

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My traffic burned out on Bosch AL 1411 DV, is it 15v-1A or 18v-1?

Charger Bosch AL60DV 1419 7.2-14.4 v, the battery says 14.4 v 2.4 Ah
I insert the battery (battery voltage 14.74) - the diode does not light up and does not blink.
If “” akk put on the charge, and overturning the K-E at V7 “” —- 18.34 v

all contacts are soldered. whole diodes. a thermal sensor on a 6.08kOhm battery, I don't know where to dig.

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On TYN 208, the trance goes directly, and not like in the circuit - through the diodes!

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Measurements: - on the minus
1- 7,5
2- 0
3- 0
4-(-0,9)
5- 22,8
6- 4,5
7- 4,9
8- 4,9

Balu0389 wrote:
Charger Bosch AL60DV 1419 7.2-14.4 v, the battery says 14.4 v 2.4 Ah
I insert the battery (battery voltage 14.74) - the diode does not light up and does not blink.
If “” akk put on the charge, and overturning the K-E at V7 “” —- 18.34 v

all contacts are soldered. whole diodes. a thermal sensor on a 6.08kOhm battery, I don't know where to dig.

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On TYN 208, the trance goes directly, and not like in the circuit - through the diodes!

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/ the diagram is similar to the one drawn above - does not fit my ../
Measurements: - on the minus
1- 7,5
2- 0
3- 0
4-(-0,9)
5- 22,8
6- 4,5
7- 4,9
8- 4,9

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Ivan_90, For those who have the same question, I will answer (better late than never): The transformer is exactly 18V at the output. The power is 28W (declared on the charger case) Bosch AL1411DV, therefore the current should be approximately 1.5A. In short, the transformer is 18V 1.5A at the output. Moreover, the use of a low-frequency transformer (linear power supply unit) in this charger is not accidental, it charges not with a direct current (DC) voltage, but with a pulsating voltage of 100Hz (50Hz double half-waves taken from a 220V city), without a smoothing capacitor. According to some reports, this mode of charging Ni-Cd batteries is quite effective.

I'm not sure if the transformer burned out. It may have overheated and the thermal fuse has tripped. In this case, the transformer can be restored! The thermal fuse in this transformer is tied to the winding from the outside, if you remove the cover from the windings from the side of the 220V input, then you can try to replace the thermal fuse. The terminals of the thermal fuse are connected to the extreme petals of the transformer from the groan of the 220V input. There must be resistance (DC) between the outer petals

0 Ohm - thermal fuse. The winding (primary) is connected to the right and middle petals - resistance (DC)

90 Ohm. A 220V cord is soldered to the left and middle tabs. If the primary winding (middle and right petals) ring, and the extreme petals do not ring among themselves (resistance - infinity), then you just need to replace the thermal fuse! It is better to restore the native transformer than the one that was found.

There is some confusion about how to properly name the TYN208: call it “SCR” or “thyristor”. The fact is that in the USSR, the whole family of controlled diodes, including dinistors, trinistors and triacs, was often called thyristors.However, the word trinistors probably did not take root, and they began to call what the old writer calls “trinistor” as a thyristor. And SCR (just SCR) is the marketing name for "trinistra" or, as it is more understandable, thyristor, i.e. controlled unidirectional diode with an unlocking contact (three outputs).

Help with the subject.
Symptoms: You plug it into an outlet - the indicator lights up constantly.
Connect the battery - the indicator will blink and light up constantly. (When I was working, it blinked until the end of charging, then it was constantly on.)
Accordingly, the battery is not charged.

The transformer is working, the diode bridge is normal.
There is no voltage at the terminals (without a connected battery). (Should it be? If the third terminal hangs in the air, should there be voltage?)
The battery was temporarily taken away, I can not check the voltage under load.
Does it make sense to check the TYN208 thyristor (V5 on the radiator) or is it most likely in the control?

Microcircuit 6HKB 07501758.
Visual inspection did not reveal a problem. There was a suspicion of poor soldering at the V5, if it was soldered - the result is the same.

Charging is a bit similar to BOSCH AL1419DV, here the diagram was given: ">
This diagram is:

Available tool: multimeter, soldering iron. No oscilloscope.

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If your DVD player breaks down, you don't have to throw it away or take it to a workshop and pay money for repairs. You can disassemble and even repair the device yourself.

The player consists of a body with a tray for loading a disc. On the front panel of the case there are: a status display, buttons for controlling the player, on some models there may be connectors for connecting a microphone, headphones, flash drives. Everything inside the case is much more interesting.

Briefly about the main components of the device.

This is the main element of the player. It consumes electricity from a switching power supply.

It is used to read information from a carrier. A wide flexible ribbon cable connects the reading head to the main board. All disc media have an installation track required for proper operation. It is located in the center. When a disc is loaded, the laser is shifted towards the center to read this track. If the reading is successful, the presence of the disc is established, and only after that the rotation motor is turned on and the disc begins to play.

The motor communicates with the processor through the driver. The rotation speed of the disk depends on the signals from the processor.

This is a microcircuit that receives commands from the processor and controls the operation of the spindle drive motor, laser lens focusing coil, laser reader movement motor, tray loading and unloading motor.

“How many devices and wires! I'd better take it to the workshop! " You say in horror, clutching your head. But! Don't rush to waste your money. There are some breakdowns that can be easily identified and repaired with a conventional screwdriver.

There could be many reasons for this. Let's consider the most basic and common ones. Let's remove the cover of the player and diagnose the power cord for internal damage. To test the operation of the multimeter, turn it on in the resistance measurement mode. We connect the probes to each other. If the device is working properly, then the display will show zeros. We attach the open probes to the cord. One probe to the cable contact at the junction with the board, the other alternately to one of the plug contacts. If the ohmmeter gives up to 3 ohms, the core is undamaged. If more, then there is a break in the core, and the cord must be replaced. If the multimeter does not react in any way, then the contact on the plug and on the opposite end does not belong to the same conductor of the electrical wire.It is not recommended to use the multimeter in the dialing mode, as it works in the range from 0 to several hundred ohms. The next step is to inspect for dust and swollen capacitors. We remove the dust, change the capacitors. If no visual faults are found and the replacement of the wire does not change the situation, take the player to a workshop.

The video below shows how the multimeter works.

Let's consider the main causes of breakdown and how to deal with them.

Reasons: the laser head is dirty or the laser is out of order.

The contaminated head is blown out with compressed air using a conventional rubber bulb. The objective lens is wiped with a cotton swab moistened with alcohol. Do not use solvents. You need to wipe it very gently with light movements. If cleaning is not sufficient, the head must be replaced.