Prestige 164 DIY repair

In detail: prestige 164 DIY repair from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.

Welding inverter Blueweld Prestige 164 - Compact and lightweight single-phase, air-cooled DC welding machine. Suitable for MMA and TIG welding with basic and rutile electrodes. Weldable metals: stainless steel, cast iron, structural steel.

  • high stability of the welding arc and welding current with fluctuations in mains voltage
  • functions of regulation of force of an arc “Arc Force”, hot start Hot Start and protection against sticking of an electrode Anti Sticking
  • Air cooling system
  • thermal protection, protection against overload, overvoltage and undervoltage

Specifications Blueweld Prestige 164

  • Supply voltage 220V / 50Hz
  • Maximum power 4.6kW
  • Welding current 5-150A
  • Load from maximum 10%
  • Welding current at load in% of maximum 140A
  • Welding current at 60% load 70A
  • Electrode diameter 1.6-4mm
  • Dimensions of the device 310x120x225mm
  • Case dimensions 420x380x170mm
  • Weight 3.4kg

Production: BLUEWELD, Italy

The attachment contains: Factory repair manual, and analysis of the company's block diagram in translation into Russian. The archive contains two Word files with drawings and schematic diagrams of the power unit and control unit

Hello everyone! Good people, help with what you can! Today the device was covered. They boiled it from a generator, it didn't work out very well, or there was not enough power, or something else. Kind people decided to add gas to the generator Image - Prestige 164 DIY repair

It was here that an incident occurred in the form of smoke from the device. An autopsy showed the following picture. Tell me, pliz, what parts are burned, preferably with the name of these, so that you can buy and solder on your own. I don't want to take it to the service. Help with trouble! The device is needed almost every day! Thanks in advance!

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2corso Large resistor - 47R_5% _8W.
(Instead of Ketai junk, I would advise you to put here a sovetskiy resistor PEV of 7.5 or 10 W. It is unlikely to be on the board, you can screw a thread somewhere outside it, and to the board with wires.
Small smd - 1M_5%, size 2010.
And naturally that big can of C22 must be changed, the holes in it burned out. You know better there what is written on it.
To restore the burned-out paths. Well and pray that there is something else not dead.

The consequences can be different. To get started, walk with a multimeter in dial mode: power plug for short circuit; on the capacitors of the mains filter (two large capacitors), if it rings, then most likely it is necessary to go to the service, if it shows a charge - discharge, then there will be hope for a less lethal outcome. Then clean the burnout and replace the burnt-out 47Ohm 8W resistor (wirewound). A varistor (if any) should have been installed at the entrance, then it rather evaporated.
But in general - it's all filkin's letter. Bring to the service

Thanks everyone! Tomorrow I will try to fix my device. What will come of this then I will unsubscribe.

corso wrote:
Today the device was covered. Cooked from a generator, it was not very good to cook

Corso, your problem is typical when working with low power generators. These devices are brought to our service most often with similar problems. So, if you want to repair yourself, the scheme of actions should be as follows.
Well, of course, we immediately change the resistors (47 ohm * 10W). Then we look at the capacitors (680μF * 400V), usually the damage is visible from the outside. Remember that we change both capacitors at once. After that it is necessary to ring the input rectifier bridge. If the problem is resolved at this stage, be lucky. But sometimes the inverter itself fails.Check the inverter transistors (2pcs) and regenerative diodes (2pcs).
Good luck. Spare parts will be needed - write. The inverter unit is always available, the rectifier bridge is also there, but you can try to find it anyway.

Yeah. I have the same apparatus, I also tried to cook from the generator, nothing happened. Thank God, something stopped me to "turn on the gas" Image - Prestige 164 DIY repair

... although usually I embody such crazy ideas.

REPORT ON SELF REPAIR! Thanks everyone for the advice, but alas and ah Image - Prestige 164 DIY repair

The "patient" is more dead than alive. In any case, after home soldering. In general, whatever one may say, he faces an imminent operation in the corporate operating room. As for the details that the Chukchi and Konstantin K kindly advised me, I successfully wandered through the Mitinsky ruins, although there is nowhere a smd shock in the amount of 2010, I had to take 1208, small, infection, zamudo. soldering.

Hello everyone!
I have a question about PRESTIGE 164,
on radiators with keys there are diodes CQ614G AND CQ613G, the conductivity is the same in the pinout, does anyone know about these?
The keys and drivers burned out, (I suspect from an increased voltage - 240-245V) I don’t know about the transformer, I didn’t check it, by the way these diodes are ringing intact, another question - Google also doesn’t find 18 volt zener diodes, how can they be replaced?

The inverter is 1 year old, I hardly saw any work, at most 10 kg. electrodes and this is already the 3rd PRESTIGE 164 - they do not stand for more than a year.
There was a curiosity with the first one - the plasterer pushed him off the second floor, lifted him up, turned on, and we continue to work. Only the corner on the “muzzle” broke off.
After 4 months, I burned out strength. tans. - suspicion, - from overheating, more than +30 was on the street.Image - Prestige 164 DIY repair

Nikolaich 63 wrote:
diodes CQ614G AND CQ613G

I have never seen such people. Most likely they differ from each other only in design.
On prestige I usually see something like mur860 (with two legs!). One of them is on a diaper.
The "driver" trance usually does not crash. Everything else is easily and elegantly killed.
After restoring the driver, it is better to look at the signals with an oscilloscope.
18 volt zener diodes exist. Perhaps they are not on your radio market.

Then Ker Thank you!
But why are the diodes different? And how to check the power trance., There is no break, here is how to check for shorty
I don’t know, radio amateurism remained in my youth, along with the barrel organ. What kind of Zener diodes did you put on 18B analogs? I was not looking for them on the market, but in the net, according to the 18B OW4 5% scheme, GOOGL did not find such in the Internet stores, which analog is preferable?

gentlemen "repairmen", you are talking about garbage. capacitors (those with a hole) are charged through this resistor. and it burned out, due to the fact that the converter stopped working (power transistors burned out) and the voltage was no longer supplied to the relay. The author will need a pair of power transistors, a resistor and probably all! A leaky capacitor can survive (only the plastic shell is burned through, the rectifier diodes should also be in order. But what you must check before installing new transistors is the presence of the output voltages of the auxiliary source and the output signals on the drivers.

Zener diodes are ordinary glass. I don’t know what they’re called.
Your diodes may be different from what they cost in your case, most likely, without diapers. Then one of them should have an anode on the “back”, while the other has a cathode (the difference is in design).

Nikolaich 63 wrote:
according to the scheme 18B OW4 5%

Zener diode 18V - 1W: 1N4746A or BZX85C18

Yes, the fact of the matter is that one is in a diaper, and they call the same, maybe I did not put it that way? (The conductivity is the same in the pinout)
They are alive, but since this is the case, I think to change them to the same ones - a suspicion that this is just a substitution with an analogue.
I have up to 245V in the network! Probably PRESTIGE 164 won't work. Image - Prestige 164 DIY repair

The Blueweld Prestige 164 inverter machine, manufactured under the Italian brand, which is quite popular in Europe, is suitable for welding at home and on construction sites of various sizes.

The device is designed and created for the implementation of electric arc welding of MMA with direct current using acid, rutile and alkaline electrodes for inverter welding. It can also be used to perform argon-arc welding (TIG-method). In this case, non-consumable type electrodes are used.

The unit is characterized by compact dimensions (31 x 12 x 22.5 centimeters) and objectively light weight (3.4 kilograms).

Its main advantages are considered to be the high accuracy of the inverter regulation and the speed of welding. At the same time, what is important, the manufacturer gives a guarantee for a decent welding quality.

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In terms of the level of protection (EU classification), the device belongs to the “IP21” category, it works with electrodes with a maximum thickness of 4 millimeters (the minimum cross-section of the welding rods is 1.6 millimeters). the welding current is adjustable from 5 to 150 amperes, the highest consumption current is 29 amperes, the highest consumption power is 4.6 kW.

In order to increase the efficiency of the described equipment, it is possible to purchase additionally accessories that will allow the Blueweld Prestige 164 to be used as a reliable TIG welding machine. These include:

  • pressure gauge and pressure reducer;
  • special adapter for a gas cylinder;
  • TIG torch.

Structurally, the inverter consists of a control unit and several operating modules:

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The described inverter installation cannot be operated in the rain outside, as well as in very damp rooms. The device may only be connected to a household power outlet if it is grounded. It is forbidden to use wires and cables for connecting the installation that cannot provide a sufficient level of electrical contact, or have signs of damaged insulation. The manufacturer also prohibits working with the Blueweld Prestige inverter in the following situations:

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  • in case of insufficient ventilation of the room where it is planned to use the welding equipment;
  • in pipes, containers, containers where fire and explosive compounds were previously stored (transported);
  • on surfaces that have been cleaned with chlorine-containing compounds;
  • if the welder does not have goggles for eye protection and special clothing;
  • near flammable objects and materials.

The inverter is assembled according to the following scheme:

  • connect the return cable to the clamp;
  • collect the electric holder and the welding wire;
  • fasten a special belt designed for the safe movement of the apparatus;
  • connect the equipment to an electrical network that produces a voltage of no more than 242 volts (the network must be equipped with an automatic switch or a special fuse).

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Note! To connect Blueweld Prestige, it is not allowed to use wires whose length is more than ten meters. And the process of connecting the cables itself is carried out exclusively with the welding inverter turned off. In this case, you need to ensure that the wires are inserted into the sockets and connectors as tightly as possible, thereby ensuring the required level of electrical contact. If the cable is loosely inserted, the device will not be able to operate at the specified power, and its wear will increase due to the constant overheating of the connecting sections.