In detail: do-it-yourself repair of the Arzamas UAZ checkpoint from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.
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Colleagues, has this topic been discussed already or not? The question is: "Hunter" with a 417th engine (they replaced the dead man, they thought for a while, it turned out - forever), "Spicer" bridges, the box was "Arzamas", your vashpe crumbled. The bell on the engine (clutch cover) seems to be from the 405 motor (clutch slave cylinder on the right on the cover).
Attention, question:
a) will the universal joints become old?
b) how to fix the box to the frame? (“Arzamas” has one pillow on the traverse; at the four-step, I don’t remember where the pillow is.)
c) what else needs to be replaced on this collective farm?
e) will a single-lever hand-out get married with a four-stage?
Edited by motor26 (03/22/2015 5:05:11 PM)
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a) no
b) The old-style box is attached to the frame through a plate between the box and the distributor
c) weld the brackets to the gearbox and RK cushions mounting frame
d) r / c will become. Maybe the hole in the turtle does not match under the lever r / c. Yes, and under the gearbox, too, the hole will need to be redone.
The bell is the native of your motor. 417-421. The clutch disc, if under a small slot, will have to be changed. Plus the clutch release. Tk. yours will not fit on the input shaft of the gearbox.
There are ADS gearboxes on UAZs. It has a small slot (this is your clutch disc), a three-point suspension (no need to collective farm new brackets), and the release clutch will remain yours. Cardans will still be changed.
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Briefly and clearly. Thanks! Will the release clutch depend on the type of basket (petals-levers)?
What to do with cardan shafts? ADS dreamed, but I don’t pull money.
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Briefly and clearly. Thanks! Will the release clutch depend on the type of basket (petals-levers)?
What to do with cardan shafts? ADS dreamed, but I don’t pull money.
No The coupling depends on the diameter of the input shaft. I remember I put a normal clutch by fitting a Bulgarian into the same fork as yours. The fork will also need to be sharpened then. Or see if there is a stock and your clutch can be bored inside. So that it would fit on the 4-speed input shaft. Checkpoint.
Because your rear will be short, and the front will be long. Because you have Spicers? easy), but either lengthen the rear or pick it up from some bobby.
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In Abinsk there is a monoblock (checkpoint + RK), your version (four-step on the traverse from the bottom) together with cardan shafts, they are selling inexpensively. If you're interested, I'll give you a phone number.
Mechanical five-speed transmission 31606-1700010 for UAZ vehicles has a peculiar gear shifting algorithm. The back is where the second should be. And the fourth is in place of the back one.The idea of placing reverse gear opposite the first is not so bad: it will pretty much help the driver trying to get out of the "ambush" by swinging. The inclusion of reverse gear - no "foolproof", no blocking. Changing the order of the gears takes some getting used to.
Previously, for UAZ vehicles, the choice of gearboxes is reduced to two four-stage versions. In the first, only the third and fourth gears are synchronized and a more "cargo" selection of gear ratios, higher reliability due to fewer parts, the design allows you to disassemble and assemble the mechanism in the field. Double clutch release is required for gear shifting. The second four-speed gearbox, which appeared in 1989 and was produced in parallel with the first, is synchronized in all gears. These gearboxes differ in the following way - for an unsynchronized gearbox, the lever travel when the first gear is engaged is twice as long as for the other steps. In a synchronized one, all transmissions are “equal”.
Five-speed gearboxes began to appear on UAZ vehicles manufactured already in our century. One comes from Ulyanovsk and the other from Arzamas. The checkpoint from Arzamas promised to be more reliable than the Ulyanovsk "pyatistupka" with a fifth gear attached crankcase. But the peculiar algorithm of gear shifting confuses drivers with an unusual logic of work. And reviews about the reliability of the checkpoint from Arzamas (or simply ARKPP) are not the most pleasant. The specialized forum "UAZBUKA" has collected a lot of useful tips and stories about ARKPP.
Later, 5-speed gearboxes "Dymos" from Korea began to be installed on UAZ vehicles, and 5-speed gearboxes of Avtodetal-Service OJSC appeared in various modifications.
Hello to all!
Today is exactly 11 months. as I have not been to the UAZ.
Enjoyed Hunter.
NOW I HURT TO WARN EVERYONE: ARZAMASSK BOX IS DANGEROUS TO LIFE. IT MAY BE JAMMED ON THE TRACK. There are cases of getting to the hospital.
God had mercy on me - she wedged 4 times in a row on the road, but before that at least she showed that she was going to die - a creature. First, the neutral was gone. Then I tried to get to the place and stick something higher than the 2nd lower one - scum.
It's beautiful when 2.5 tons stop instantly. A mother with a child, from the back seat, first fly to you behind the wheel, and at the moment of a complete stop of Hunter, they fly back.
I can’t imagine what happened to the guy who, as they say, walked along the highway, and, I think, did not hesitate to put pressure on the “trigger”. This is the one that ended up in the hospital (they told about him in the spare parts store).
Actually I need help.
Hunter, immobilized with the box removed, causes severe sensations. Whoever has a UAZ breakdown on the road knows what a knocked-down cruiser looks like. There is no limit to the joy of enemies! Another wife - "what for you bought it." And to explain that the UAZ has nothing to do with it is useless. And to tell the truth.
... UAZ was framed by MIRACLES FROM ARZAMASS FACTORY of the checkpoint. I don’t know what kind of plant, maybe there are good people working there, but the fact that Satan is walking along the conveyor belt is a fact. Beasts!
Watch your lips - CLINIT BOX ON THE TRACK!
Here, I burst into tears. Now tell me how to proceed. I'm in complete shock (no TROPHY experience).
There is one funny decision - to wait until May 2006, when UAZ will put on sale its new 5-mortar. They say they have already run in.
But it is until May to wait (now the end of March). And money? What about life?
I'm driving and I'm responsible for the people in the cabin. Thank God, I repeat that the child's neck was not broken by such a stop with a stake.
Thanks for your feedback. I'm really looking forward to it.
Unscrew and sort out, who said that the new one will be cooler? The easiest way to fix it is what it is.
4x mortars are also not the height of perfection, they switch to the state of horseradish speed very quickly.
By the way, in place of Arzamas, a 4-mortar (ordinary, not 3160) is put very simply, the crankcase is altered, the attachment point is welded on and the turtle changes.
On the 3160 unit, nothing needs to be changed at all, just screw it on. The shaft is the same as on the Hunter (thin). For 421, the shaft is not a problem, but for 409 I don't know.
Everything breaks, the main thing is not to lose heart from these little things.
Elementary, Wadson! Spontaneous inclusion of any other gear simultaneously with the 4th.
And I'll go and throw mine completely unsynchronized in the trash and replace it with a fully synchronized 4-mortar. In principle, not an UAZ with 35 wheels, 5th gear is not particularly needed. It will certainly raise the level of comfort, but not efficiency.
Elementary, Wadson! Spontaneous inclusion of any other gear simultaneously with the 4th.
Yes, it didn't occur to me. But then the craftsmen from Arzamas deserve a medal for the first place. As far as I know, there was no such thing before them on any Soviet car!
A 4-mortar for a hunter fits on a frame without any problems, you just need to crawl under a regular UAZ and see what you have and what is not enough. Everything you need is sold in the store, you don’t need to invent anything. the fork needs to be changed, the disc may not fit, which means either the input shaft or the disc with the basket must be changed, what mounting holes are on the flywheel, the basket may not fit. If the 4218 engine, the disc and the basket fit.
4 mortar is not synchronous. costs about 5,000 rubles.
The fork and crankcase are suitable, for changes in the fork are available on the UAZBUK. In the same place, it is written about the 406 disk with a large shaft. It is not worth making changes to the old type of fastening, it is easier to take the gearbox housing from 3160 or weld fasteners.
The turtle will have to be changed or altered, the price of a new one is 500-600r. The loss of the 5th speed at 421 is not critical, but if we consider that in Arzamas from the 5th, problems are present from birth. That to lose, that which was not….
If we change the GP pairs for one, then we get 31519 for the transmission. Only on a spicer, which is not a bad thing.
I cannot describe the damage from the point of view of an engineer: the device of the box for me is a dark forest - it just so happened. I would be glad, but I do not know her absolutely.
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Autopsy showed:
(BTW, I HAVE LEFT THE RIGHT TO DISPUTE ANYTHING - THE BOX IS ALREADY DISASSEMBLED. The number of broken teeth on the palm was the number of half of the teeth on the jaw, the rest are bent, but strong, dogs)
1) Input shaft assembly.
2) Intermediate shaft (bare = 1500 rubles, assembled - 6500. Moreover, the gears are PRESSED on the bare shaft and, it seems, in a hot way. Not any service can do it.
(The gear wheel of the first gear is covered with me, but in most cases they complain about the 5th).
3) Primary oil seal shaft (bent from the factory, although there was no leak).
4) A set of gaskets is nonsense.
5) Only disassembly = 3000 rubles. (They promised to collect for 4000 rubles.)
TOTAL: 7000 rubles. and I'm on a shitty box again.
About the simultaneous inclusion of gears:
it looks like this box has a stable "joke". This became clear from the words of more than one person when I ran around the shops in search of spare parts.
5th is not needed - I agree. Therefore, it did not break with me. The first one broke down when I fiddled with a lowered one in a snowdrift. And that is not a fact: it could break at the moment of a wedge (impact). And people are hinting at the clutch.
But what?, Though the 35th wheel can be equated to the 5th gear in terms of consumption? If so, then maybe, indeed, stop at a 4-mortar with synchronizers. (11 800 rubles. In the South Port, but there to buy a box, as the same Arzamas to put).
On the fifth, there is no savings: On board. computer consumption = 9 l. / 100 km. BUT, - a headwind, and you are already pushing on the gas more, which in terms of consumption is equal to a quiet ride on the 4th (9-11 l / 100 km.)
The panic has passed a little and I don't want something like 4 mortars. They are talking about a new box of UAZ (5-stupas, native - not Korea and not Arzamas). Maybe all the shortcomings were taken into account in it?
Who heard about the new UAZ box?
Vicious circle. And now it's scary to drive.
I wrote everything at once. not all the time at the computer.
I'm completely ready.
There is nothing else left.
The situation with the Arzamas box simply defies criticism.
(in solidarity with El Chupacabra):
No, well, really, I understand that we are cattle, but cattle are not for slaughter, but for work for the same Americos. And the situation with the death of slaves is unprofitable. Another thing is their argument - “there was no need to buy a shitty UAZ car”. Then their attitude to the small army of UAZovodov is clear -
- US UAZOVODOV ARE SIMPLY NOT CONSIDERED AS A CLASS OF LIVING PEOPLE!
... I don't care now. that on this fucking "Arzamas" everyone is drunk in shit at the machines. They are still managed by the management and this management drives (I'm sure) in jeeps (on tinted ones - now you will understand why), only on imported ones. So what?
And who first started: did they find an UAZ or UAZ asked them to make a box? But if you have never done them and as a result began to do so. what was in the head of these people? “You have a UAZ box on, put it on, you don’t mind the collective farmers,” or “Let's hurry up to the UAZ, which swung to the West, and when they get the dough, we’ll drive over, they say, you guys did it, and our box is on all cars worth it - drive it off. ”
It is now clear why they were in such a hurry to put the box on the UAZ. And, as a result, raw, unfinished, dangerous products.
ONE - in Arzamas, bandits rule the show! Logically, this is so, since psychology, in which a person's life is not taken into account. They just didn’t say the word “safety”.
It looks like their slogan is “PLEASE!”. And here we are with our UAZs, as a topic.
WELL, PERSONALLY I WAS SOAKED!
FOR THE FULL PROGRAM - FOR THE FACT, SO TO SAY.
It's a pity not to die, but they hyped it up for money.
No wonder I opened my heart up here, laying out the arguments. By the way, in the States, probably, justice began with such “boxes”.
UAZ was founded in 1941. What war veterans, support themselves in our person?
I apologize for the excessive emotionality and distortion of reality, if this took place.
Where can you move this topic “higher” to the “root” folder?
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Dear experts and amateurs of UAZ vehicles, I ask for your help. My girlfriend's gearbox went off on a Hunter. The box is 5-speed, produced in 2004, manufactured by Arzamas. In her hometown of Kirov, spare parts for it cannot be found. I went to the Kuntsevsky car market on the weekend, but they couldn’t help me there either, they offered to change the box for the “native” Ulyanovsk one, but we are not yet ready to pay 20 thousand for it. Requires a "penny" part - 1st gear synchronizer. Please tell me where in Moscow you can buy this spare part. I am ready to pick up by pick-up from anywhere in Moscow for an acceptable fee. Cognac from me!
All offers can be sent by soap -
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Th Moscow, even in Ulyanovsk, there is nothing for this city :)
beckon to dimes
If you are the owner of a UAZ and there are suspicions about the failure of the gearbox, then you must definitely take on the repair. The unit fails when the driver has to hold the gearshift lever on the move, when they begin to shift by themselves (to prevent this, the drivers tie them up with ropes). Squeaks are sometimes heard.
To get acquainted with the repair technology, read about the repair of the UAZ 452 gearbox with your own hands. First, you need to determine the type of UAZ box that is on the car. Despite the difference between car models, the same transfer cases are installed on them. Therefore, we can assume that repairs are carried out in almost the same way. This will require a set of keys, some tools and aids (listed below).
On most car models of this type, both parts are one piece. The weight of such a unit reaches 75-82 kg, so you need an assistant. If the car being repaired has a safety cage, then you can use a hand winch to remove the UAZ 452 gearbox for repair on your own.
The car must be parked out of the blue, as later it will have to be moved 0.5 m forward or backward. First, the oil is drained. Both boxes have a common volume, but the liquid drain plugs are separate. While the oil is pouring out, you need to remove the front seats and unscrew them, and then remove the halves of the hatch to the floor of the car. Next comes the turn of removing the speedometer rods.
When the oil has drained, screw the drain plugs back into place. There is a frame cross member under the hand brake drum, it must be removed. Disconnect the front axle clutches and unscrew the front universal joint. If you find weakness of the nuts on it, then you need to remove this part.
If the UAZ 3303 gearbox is being repaired, you need to be more careful with the couplings. The car is moved 0.5 m (in any direction) and the rear cardan is removed through the hatch. Disconnect the muffler from the distribution box and loosen the clamp on it. Then, one by one, details such as:
- clutch pallet;
- fasteners for the oiler from the input shaft (it is on the right, on the bell);
- 4 bolts that hold the clutch cover;
- cylinder rod adjustment and fork.
The transfer box is wrapped with rope and hung. The following parts are removed:
- pillow bolts;
- nuts holding the bell box mount.
With these actions, the engine, when the UAZ 452 gearbox is repaired on its own, must be propped up with a jack. When the box is free, it is lowered and taken out from under the car. The levers must first be removed. The pins on the bell must be replaced with new ones.
If you need to repair the UAZ Patriot checkpoint, then it must be borne in mind that the location of the box and the bell is opposite there. This also applies to the position of the rods. But in general, the technology for repairing the UAZ 452 gearbox on its own is suitable for use.
Unscrew the bolts and nuts, disconnect the gearbox and its transfer case. A gasket reinforced with sealant is installed between them, so you will have to hit the bracket for attaching the assembly to the frame several times.
First you need to remove the input shaft cover and unscrew the left nut, which is located on it (see fig.). Now you need to remove its bearing. If it is out of order, it must be replaced. Its roller "brother" is installed inside the shaft, it also needs to be replaced. Then the circlip is removed from the secondary roll. Unscrew the double-row bearing stopper. The shaft must be knocked out and the part changed.
This is followed by the third gear clutch assembly. Copper synchronizers are replaced along with crackers. Then it is the turn of the reverse gear. Unscrew the intermediate shaft front bearing box. Do not hit it with a hammer or core: it is from silumin and may crack.
Be careful not to damage its rubber pad as it is difficult to reach. On the removed shaft, replace the gears and all bearings. After that, assemble the box in the reverse order. When the roller is installed on the input shaft, it is abundantly lubricated with Litol. All units and parts are put in place one by one so as not to be mistaken.
Loosen the nuts of the flanges and shafts, remove them. The hand brake must be checked for operability, if necessary, it must be replaced. Remove all covers and replace the oil seals. Unscrew the drive of the speedometer rods and the breather (it must be replaced). The bearings are checked and replaced if necessary.
