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Here are the original replacement numbers:68003216AA
TREATMENT
Indeed, ordering a new complete snail for 28,000 rubles (autumn 2017) just because of a broken train is nonsense. I also didn't want to order a donor (a simplified version without a steering angle sensor) with a subsequent swap (the price tag is about 14,000 for the same existence). In addition to high prices, there is still a waiting period of 3-4 weeks!
I don’t like to put a bu-shny snail either:
Thus, there remains only the option of repairing the loop as the most reasonable.
PATH # 1 - repair of the native loop
PATH # 2 - replacement of the native loop
Our snail uses two stubs of length 730 mm and 990 mm. Each has 5 conductors (2 thick - pillow contacts, 3 thin - the rest of the signal lines). Of course, you will not find anything like this.
I managed to find on ebay and aliexpress several offers of FFC (flexible flat cables) of suitable lengths (1 and 1.5 meters). From the USA, the price tag was about 2000 rubles. From China about 500-600r. But delivery is a month.
And here a few days ago I finally found the long-awaited solution: flat 25-core cable worth (ATTENTION!) 250 rubles / m, which is always available (Moscow, Mitinsky radio market) :
// I don't know where they have this cable on the site, because I came to them with my feet for other nishtyaks, but I accidentally saw this cable too!
This cable has the same pitch as ours (Chrysler's), the only difference is that all conductors have the same width.
There are articles and step-by-step reports on the replacement of the snail and related operations (calibration of the rudder angle sensor) on the network, so I will not repeat myself. In my opinion, the most informative article is here:
To help, I will give only a few of my photos:
(1) General view of a dragonfly (which you will have to deal with)
(2) Correspondence of the pinout at the input and output (inputs 0, 1, 2 and 3 are the steering wheel rotation sensor, these contacts are not used on the loop, of course). photo of disassembled
(3) Photo of a disassembled snail with a standard train
All terminal blocks can be easily pulled out by loosening the clamps. You can easily disassemble it.
Regular loops must be completely removed, and the contacts must be well irradiated. To do this, I used a soldering water-soluble flux (FCS), regular solder and a low-power soldering iron with a sharp tip.
The ends of the new train also need to be tinned on both sides.There is no need to pre-strip the train - the tailpiece melts the polymer shell, exposing the copper tracks. This is all very easy to do. Then the loop is soldered in such a way as to connect the desired tracks.
You can lay the train in different ways:
(1) Stock option (described by the link on drive2, which I gave earlier).
(2) "Spiral" option
Next, I wound both trains in a spiral, as far as their length allowed. I folded the excess length (990-730 = 260mm) in several layers and packed it in the compartment from where they come out. Further
Then I turned the snail in one direction until it stops, then turned it back more than 2 turns - this will be the center position (when the wheels are level). I made sure that in the opposite direction there is also a margin of 2+ turns (I don’t know how many full turns there were). I returned the cochlea to the central position again and set the rudder angle sensor to a new position (the procedure is by the link above).
IMPORTANT (relevant for snails with a plug with contacts “0-1-2-3”, ie with a rudder position sensor):
After that, everything was assembled and installed on the machine. Everything works, the steering wheel rotates quietly, without any noise from the snail, the tidy is quiet and smooth - no mistakes!
As an afterword.
I hope this article will help people who are faced with a broken cable quickly and cheaply solve all these problems.
This post can serve as an instruction for handy people who find themselves in a similar situation.
Although I am a radio engineer, I have been deeply involved in auto repair for a long time. There is a very decent service, where your humble servant is currently working. Well, now the story, I hope you will be interested.
Nissan Murano Z50 (photo from the Internet), our patient is not so handsome:
One smart service technician decided to replace the steering rack on his personal Murano. He did it well and quickly, but! This post would not exist if it were not for this BUT! I accidentally turned the steering wheel and forgot about it. In the steering wheel there is a long train wound in a spiral in order to transmit electrical signals to the steering wheel itself. I think for many of you this is obvious. I assembled, started, pumped the system - there is no beep, an error on the pillow is on, the multifunction wheel does not work. All clear. Tovarisch sighed and called me to save the day. Tool in the teeth and go!
Got it out, dismantle it, it's late, I'm taking the subject home.(my daughter is 4 months old, so I apologize for the extra objects in the frame) Here is a snail:
And here is what gave a turn of the steering wheel one turn more (I cut off the mantle piece of the train, but he has a photo):
Naturally, the train itself inside was twisted and re-bent. Straightened up, rang. the roads are intact. Let's get started! We prepare the train and the receiving part, clean everything. And yes, without a third hand in any way.
So, the photographs show in sufficient detail the design of the sensor, and the stages of its disassembly. I did not take pictures of the procedure for removing the sensor, firstly, because it differs slightly on different machines and depends on the design of the steering wheel and airbag. And secondly, because a specific sensor is always in my desk and waiting for its turn.
From the general recommendations, it should be recalled that all procedures related to airbag must be performed some time after disconnecting the battery .
Key points:
So, the procedure itself:
As I already wrote in one of the topics, using this technique, the performance of several sensors was successfully restored. The service life of the first of them is almost a year. But one must be aware that this does not completely solve the problem, since the basis of the problem is the deterioration of the parameters of the optical elements of the circuit over time. However, this procedure makes it possible to significantly delay the complete replacement of the sensor, which in some cases is very important.
As the name implies, a steering wheel angle sensor is needed to determine the angle of travel, as well as to measure the yaw rate. With its help, it is possible to determine the direction of the car, given by the driver. This device is used in the functioning of a number of mechanisms.
If we take adaptive lighting as a basis, we can describe the principle of operation as follows: the device fixes how many degrees a turn is made. This information is automatically transmitted to the control unit. The block distributes the received data between other systems. Depending on the values obtained, either the headlight is moved or additional lamps are connected. This provides the driver with better lateral visibility.
There are several types of such devices, which are built on different measurement principles. More on them in the following sections.
This is a pin view. Contains two potentiometers that are attached to the steering column. One is offset 90 ° from the other. This placement allows you to measure the angle of travel. However, it should be noted that such devices are practically not used now, since they are characterized by low reliability.
This is an advanced device. A device of this type combined light sources, a unit for determining the number of revolutions, a coding disk. It contains two rings. On the inner one there are holes, on the outer one they are also present, but they are uneven. The structure of the inner ring allows you to determine how many degrees the steering wheel is turned. The outer ring determines the direction of rotation.
Such a sensor is considered to be universal. It allows you to measure the angular velocity. It contains two magnetoresistive elements that are attached to the body.
The magnets rotate using a gear train. The control unit measures the degree of rotation, direction and speed.
In this video, you will see how to properly replace the steering angle sensor on a BMW E65.
VIDEO Today we have solved the same problem. The mustache can be pulled out of the throttle position sensor from some Toyota, they are just brass there and are easily soldered to the worn ones. (In the throttle position sensors from other cars, the steel mustache is poorly soldered, you need acid)
The contacts there are really very small. Such contacts still need to be found. And most likely it is necessary to solder under a microscope.
Thank you! FSE bought, installed, reprogrammed, while the norm, 1200 km flight is normal!
Thank you! FSE bought, installed, reprogrammed, while the norm, 1200 km flight is normal!
friends! and in order to get to the steering sensor, the steering gimbal needs to be removed?
Yes! You need to disconnect it, it's simple!
We need to replace all the lamellas with something suitable.
When you find a suitable contact instead of the worn out ones, sign off in the forum, just wondering if the sensor will work correctly !?
When you find a suitable contact instead of the worn out ones, sign off in the forum, just wondering if the sensor will work correctly !?
I’m not likely to fix my broken one ..
Post has been editedRavy yy s s: 04 July 2015 - 10:29
I will tell you about my experience in dealing with this ailment. I did not go to the service station because they would not repair the sensor, but only replace it. And it costs a lot. New under 200 bucks, used 50+.
I did everything alone - the second person was not needed there at all, I did not remove the terminal from the battery. I just turned off the ignition.
The bolt came out easily, but in order to disconnect the shaft from the coupling, I had to drive a screwdriver into the slot (Fig. 3), after which the lower shaft is easily sunk into the floor, which allows the sensor to be removed. There are several screws on the case for a very small sprocket, which I did not find even in two sets of tools, so I had to unscrew it with a knife. Inside there are two pairs of brushes, and one of them has half-worn antennae. I trimmed the adjacent one to the same length and folded it so that the tips were at the level of the second pair. I assembled it, put it back, connected it with a diagnostic cable and calibrated the sensor in Inpe - the error does not appear anymore. I don’t know how long it will last, but so far the flight is normal.
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An adaptation of the steering angle sender G85 needs to be done.
An adaptation of the steering angle sender G85 needs to be done.
The situation is as follows
Purchased from the car in 10 years, a kit for installing a multi-wheel, mfa, etc., etc.
The problem is apparently that on fresh cars this sensor is already on the steering rack, and not under the steering wheel, and because of this it is impossible to adapt the steering rack and the amplifier does not work correctly, but the buttons, cruise, signal work
Tell me which block to look for with what letters to guess with the functionality and were there pins on the sensor?
The rudder position sensor can be:
original;
BOO;
restored;
pre-calibrated (final vehicle calibration required).
Calibration of the steering wheel position sensor on the vehicle is required if:
second-hand sensor, but obviously working, that is, removed without errors from a working car;
second-hand sensor, software restored;
the sensor is new.
The reasons for the failure of the sensor can be different, but most often it is associated with the software part and calibrations. The malfunction occurs during the repair of the steering, during the removal and installation of the sensor for repair or replacement of the coil train of the SRS system, as well as during work on the steering rack or incorrect adjustment of the front wheel alignment angles (“camber”).
The sensor calibrations have limited parameters for reading the rotation of the steering shaft axis in degrees, and if the sensor is inadvertently turned beyond the limited parameters, the system determines it as faulty and blocks it programmatically.
The following errors are recorded in the memory of the ABS / VSC / TRC unit:
C1336 – Zero Point Calibration of Deceleration Sensor undone
C1433 – Steering Angle Sensor Internal Circuit
It is impossible to delete error data from the sensor memory even by dealer diagnostic equipment through the diagnostic connector, since the sensor memory is blocked by these errors. Any further manipulations, attempts to erase errors and / or calibrate the sensor are useless without software intervention in the sensor firmware. In this case, it is necessary to program the memory of the sensor itself.
In each specific case, a correction of the individual firmware from a specific sensor is required. It is strongly not recommended to disassemble the sensor for the sake of curiosity or to search for the possibility of self-repair, since a violation of the installation of small gears in the case leads to the impossibility of further calibration of the sensor on the car, despite the fact that the sensor will even be corrected by software - this is tantamount to the fact that the firmware will be with another.
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So, the photographs show in sufficient detail the design of the sensor, and the stages of its disassembly.I did not take pictures of the procedure for removing the sensor, firstly, because it differs slightly on different machines and depends on the design of the steering wheel and airbag. And secondly, because a specific sensor is always in my desk and waiting for its turn.
From the general recommendations, it should be recalled that all procedures related to airbag must be performed some time after disconnecting the battery .
Key points:
So, the procedure itself:
As I already wrote in one of the topics, using this technique, the performance of several sensors was successfully restored. The service life of the first of them is almost a year. But one must be aware that this does not completely solve the problem, since the basis of the problem is the deterioration of the parameters of the optical elements of the circuit over time. However, this procedure makes it possible to significantly delay the complete replacement of the sensor, which in some cases is very important.
Steering repair - diagnostics, elimination of steering wheel play and replacement of the steering wheel position sensor
Hello dear motorists! Tell me, if there was a control in the car, like in a tank - lever, you would feel and call yourself a full-fledged driver. Probably not.
And, since the steering of a car is the system without which we do not fully feel like drivers, then on the agenda: repair of the steering wheel.
The driver's love for the steering wheel is deferred to us on a subconscious level. You can smile, but even in the "dream books" it is written: if you see that someone broke off the steering wheel on your car, it means that you are in complete confusion. Therefore, we need to maintain the steering of a car in perfect order and be able to repair the steering system within our competence.
The symptoms of steering faults, which we will now give you, are conditionally correct. You perfectly understand that an accurate diagnosis can be made only after opening ... the steering mechanism. And for this we need to know how to remove the steering wheel. But, first, about the signs of malfunctions in the steering.
The steering wheel is "heavy" in both directions or during rapid rotation - air has entered the power steering, there is not enough oil in the power steering reservoir, or a weak pulley, the steering rack housing is worn out, plus the camber-toe adjustment may be disturbed.
A “heavy” handlebar in the center indicates wear on the rack housing.
The steering wheel is "heavy" only in one direction indicates the failure of the rail spools.
Poor return of the steering wheel to the center position - these can be malfunctions in the chassis, violation of wheel alignment, wear of the steering column crosspiece or wear of the steering mechanism
The main reason for steering vibration is, most often, imbalance of the wheels.
Backlash in the steering wheel means: when the steering wheel is swinging vertically - the bearings in the hubs are faulty, when the steering wheel is swinging horizontally - the steering tip needs to be replaced. You will see the permissible steering wheel play in the manufacturer's manual for your car.
A knock in the steering column when the steering wheel is shaken or while driving is a characteristic symptom indicating steering play caused by an increase in the gap between the pinion and the toothed steering rack.
So, since we are talking about the steering wheel backlash. The rudder backlash is measured by a simple device - a backlash gauge. Its arrow is fixed to the steering wheel, and the scale to the steering column.
Steering play is the angle of free rotation of the steering wheel without moving (turning) the front wheels. According to GOST RF, rudder play is allowed up to 10 degrees. At the stands in the service, if you are too lazy to check the backlash yourself or there is no backlash gauge, the steering wheel backlash sensor is used - the steering angle sensor.
Replacing the steering angle sensor
Steering angle sensors are now installed on many models. If it fails, the sensor is replaced. In principle, this operation can be performed independently.
The first step is to remove the steering wheel. How to remove the steering wheel will tell you the manual from the manufacturer for a specific car model.
Then remove the steering column shroud, combination switch unit and wiper switch. The combination switch housing is completely replaceable and try not to drop it as the sensor is very sensitive to shock.
The purpose of the adjustment is to move the steering rack stop. The adjustment is made using the adjusting screw located in the steering box end cover.
To access the adjusting screw, the car must be lifted: onto the platform or onto the overpass.
The wheels of the car are set straight and swinging the steering wheel left and right should show you a knock in the steering.
We screw in the adjusting screw, systematically swinging the steering wheel. The knock is gone, so you need to take a test drive.
In case the steering wheel is hard to return, the adjusting screw must be slightly loosened. And thus, bring the steering to the desired parameter: there is no knock or obvious backlash and the steering wheel freely returns to its place. Steering adjustment must be done with an assistant.
Video (click to play).
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