In detail: do-it-yourself repair of a berlingo generator from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.
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v-vitalij 09 Sep 2008
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klr650 09 Sep 2008
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v-vitalij 09 Sep 2008
Yes, I also heard that the Valeo is non-collapsible and I changed the generator itself in the spring, I bought a little used Danso, it is collapsible. Have you looked at spare parts for Valeo or another generator?
It also made noise with me, but these were not bearings, but the result was the same - after a year, the charging was gone. When I took it off, I realized how to extend its life (or rather, to another) - you need to close the air intake in the muzzle in front of the generator to the radiator with plywood, so that road dirt, water and salt do not fly on him. I did that. Recommend .
Thank you. By the way, maybe it influenced. Shortly before that, I lost my right front locker. Probably all kinds of cocoa flew to the generator.
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Nikolaevich 10 Sep 2008
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klr650 11 Sep 2008
Yes, I agree with Nikolayevich, maybe I put it a little incorrectly, I myself did not try to disassemble it and did not even look how it worked when I held it in my hands after taking it off. I think it is "heavy-duty", like with complications. For example, you need to unsolder the diode bridge to cut it in half. I have Valeo lying around somewhere, I need to try at my leisure 🙂
Thank you. By the way, maybe it influenced. Shortly before that, I lost my right front locker. Probably all kinds of cocoa flew to the generator.
Maybe the time has come / run /. I howled at 155 thousand after driving on a winter track to St. Petersburg.
For everyone who drives without engine protection, the generator is covered faster.
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m724 01 Jul 2009
... I think it is "heavy-duty", like with complications. For example, you need to unsolder the diode bridge to cut it in half. I have Valeo lying around somewhere, I need to try at my leisure 🙂
Bring it to me, you still have it lying around after the disassembly!
I apologize, but after going to the station it turned out that the power steering pump was howling
Drain, rinse and replace the liquid!
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klr650 01 Jul 2009
Bring it to me, you still have it lying around after the disassembly!
Yes, I did not understand it. Take it, come yourself - self-pickup type. You just need to find it in the garage.
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m724 02 Jul 2009
Yes, I did not understand it. Take it, come yourself - self-pickup type.
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kvi 28 Nov 2010
Good day!
Please tell me how to remove the generator?
If not in steps, then at least - from below or from above, it is removed, otherwise it is complete misunderstanding. Above is the reservoir from the power steering - from the bottom, it seems, the air conditioner drive should interfere a lot.
Thanks in advance. And sorry if the question is stupid 🙂
I didn't find anything in the book 🙁
Themes are united. Learning to use search. Verbal warning. Shooter76.
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Dron Dec 28, 2010
If it is possible to replace the bearing itself - how to choose it in existential
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I got up on the road today. dragged in tow
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be careful - a motorcyclist is driving!
The generator howled for exactly one year. I began to howl for no reason in March 2007, I drove for half a year, “sensing” the imminent death, I took it off and sent it to a local generator repair shop in Pushkino, Moscow region for repair. at the place of residence . Apparently, not quite experts in their field work there, and therefore they said that this could not be and the generators do not howl, they are not wolves. We checked it on the "stand", they say everything is fine and we don't know where the howling came from.
They really didn't take money for diagnostics. And that's good.
I had already forgotten about it and the extra sound did not strain my hearing. But today he reminded of himself / as according to the schedule, also in March / the charging lamp turned on for 1 minute. It went out. I tensed. Hello, to prepare loot soon. It lit up again, went out. I tensed more. The third time caught fire and did not go out. After that, the airbag lamp also behaved exactly as soon as possible.
And now a report for you how long you can drive to Berlingo without charging on one battery in the dark:
If suddenly someone loses charging on the road at night, then non-stop driving without headlights and pressing the brake light, with the dimensions turned on and a working battery, will last no more than 1.5 hours. After that, if you turn off the engine, the starter will no longer be able to crank it. But it will start from the "pusher" and drive another 10
15 minutes, WITHOUT ANY LIGHTING and DIMENSIONS, then the dashboard goes out completely, with all the lamps that glowed there on the floor and
after five minutes the wiper turns on. After that, the engine is completely stopped. Next, you need a towing rope. and generator repair.
Everything, Pokedova. After tomorrow I will change the generator 🙂
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- Auto: Citroen Berlingo 1.4 manual transmission
15 minutes, WITHOUT ANY LIGHTING and DIMENSIONS, then the dashboard goes out completely, with all the lamps that glowed there on the floor and
after five minutes the wiper turns on. After that, the engine is completely stopped. Next, you need a towing rope. and generator repair.
Everything, Pokedova. After tomorrow I will change the generator 🙂
Horror! I'm shocked, but this is just a scenario for the new series Terminator-4: not_i:
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- Auto: Citroen Berlingo, 1.9 D, 2005, opel astra caravan 1.4 16v 1997
The generator howled for exactly one year. I began to howl for no reason in March 2007, I drove for half a year, “sensing” the imminent death, I took it off and sent it to a local generator repair shop in Pushkino, Moscow region for repair. at the place of residence . Apparently, not quite experts in their field work there, and therefore they said that this could not be and the generators do not howl, they are not wolves. We checked it on the "stand", they say everything is fine and we don't know where the howling came from.
They really didn't take money for diagnostics. And that's good.
I had already forgotten about it and the extra sound did not strain my hearing. But today he reminded of himself / as according to the schedule, also in March / the charging lamp turned on for 1 minute. It went out. I tensed. Hello, to prepare loot soon. It lit up again, went out. I tensed more. The third time caught fire and did not go out. After that, the airbag lamp also behaved exactly as soon as possible.
And now a report for you how long you can drive to Berlingo without charging on one battery in the dark:
If suddenly someone loses charging on the road at night, then non-stop driving without headlights and pressing the brake light, with the dimensions turned on and a working battery, will last no more than 1.5 hours. After that, if you turn off the engine, the starter will no longer be able to crank it. But it will start from the "pusher" and drive another 10
15 minutes, WITHOUT ANY LIGHTING and DIMENSIONS, then the dashboard goes out completely, with all the lamps that glowed there on the floor and
after five minutes the wiper turns on. After that, the engine is completely stopped. Next, you need a towing rope. and generator repair.
Everything, Pokedova. After tomorrow I will change the generator 🙂
The Berlingo minivan is equipped with modern electronics, thanks to which the safety and comfort of passengers is increased. Diesel generator Citroen Berlingo provides a stable voltage of 13.4‒14.3 V to power the systems and devices of the car, provided that the unit is working properly.
When operating a minivan, the following malfunctions are possible that require urgent repair of the Citroen Berlingo generator:
- short circuit of the stator or rotor winding;
- charging disappears;
- reflow of collector rings;
- jamming of the rotor shaft bearings;
- the formation of cracks in the cover or protective casing of the unit;
- misalignment of the pulley or rotor;
- breakdown of the diode bridge and burnout of the relay-regulator.
Malfunctions of autogenerators occur due to moisture or salt entering the winding from the road surface, the appearance of corrosion, oxidation and destruction of contacts. With a faulty battery, the charging current increases, which leads to overheating and burnout of electronic parts: a rectifier bridge and a voltage regulator. The unit breaks down as a result of illiterate "lighting" from another vehicle.
To eliminate malfunctions, a qualified repair of the Citroen Berlingo generator is required in a specialized car service. Problems associated with a malfunction of an electromechanical unit are determined by characteristic symptoms:
- whistling sound from the drive belt when the engine speed increases;
- lack of battery charging;
- low voltage of the on-board network;
- weak light and interior lighting;
- battery discharge indication on the instrument panel.
Rapid restoration of the unit's operability is ensured by competent planning of complex diagnostic and repair operations. The battery is disconnected from the car's electrical equipment, the drive belt is removed, the generator is dismantled for inspection and disassembly. Determine the degree of wear of the brushes and rings of the collector, as well as the serviceability of the bearings and pulley. The efficiency of the rectifier and current regulator is checked. All defective mechanical and electronic parts as well as damaged housing covers must be replaced with original spare parts.
DDCAR car service employees perform complex operations with high quality. To restore the unit's operability, modern diagnostic (measuring) equipment and original components are used. We provide a 6-month warranty for work and provide professional services in Moscow exclusively at an affordable cost.
Below you can see the technical specifications to remove the generator with your own hands for Citroen berlingo. Express your opinion about the car in the comments.
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Reasoning from a car owner named Asaf: Everything is excellent: comfort, including navigation and voice control of the phone, driving performance, especially throttle response.
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Description: The dimensions are as follows: length - 3236, width - 1100, height - 1767 mm. The wheelbase is 2229 mm. The ground clearance is 185 mm. The car is equipped with a hybrid power unit. The 2-cylinder engine is equipped with a system that provides the output power of the engine. There are 4 valves per cylinder. Diameter of one
the cylinder is 75 mm, the piston stroke is 76 mm. The engine crankshaft accelerates to 5000 rpm. The maximum torque is maintained up to 2000 rpm.
Today, from time to time, the light on the instrument panel comes on, there is no charging. Berlingo 2.0HDI machine
... and at the end it lit up and did not go out. Who can advise what? The generator turned out to be Valeo # 9646321780 I sin on the brushes. Is it possible to remove an integral brush with brushes? And how easy it is to remove the gene.
There is nothing special to advise, only an autopsy will show. I think that the brushes of the khan.
datchanin wrote:. I think that the brushes of the khan. You can do without removing the genes. ,
That no one came across? I will not believe !
I did not see how they were filming, but I saw it disassembled, on the rotor I rubbed one ring with a brush.
There are many offices that are engaged in the repair of starters and generators
I want to go to the generator to get the oil from the tank of the hydraulic oil, can it be short for everyone?
Everyone definitely doesn’t. Look where it is dripping from the tank or from the pump, see if the rail is flowing .. Does the liquid drop strongly in level? If there is no level, top up immediately.
The rail is 100% dry. I refill every 10,000 times. A drop from the tank of a plastic fitting of new rubber.a hose with a collar, which does not lead to a blow in France 4 roki to that. It is not a problem to top up the whole hour 55000 - how can we short-circuit the generator?
nravitsa wrote: datchanin wrote:. I think that the brushes of the khan. You can do without removing the genes. , you can't, just shoot, you can't open it.
at the very oil on the gene flows. Nothing critical.
... that no one disassembled the valeo generator in berlingo. Maybe all the same, somehow you can change the integral without removing the generator.
Dsoftgroup wrote:? V = aVvPzwtxdrM here about valeo, but not from Citroen, but I think they will not change technologies for different cars, judging by the video - you can change the brushes, but I don’t know how to get in there, there is access in the gasoline from below ... Thank you, I will try today to replace the brushes without removing the genes.
apparently there are no brushes. That's the whole problem.
Replaced brushes. I put the cargo brushes - PX60. Who can benefit from the information and so the integral valve is, accordingly, Valeo No. 593529 Cargo No. 234982, CARGO starter brushes No. PX60 dimensions - 4.6X6.35X15.4. They did without removing the generator, they just unscrewed the oil filter and got a little access. They removed the back cover of the genes, then unscrewed the integral, replaced the brushes and back everything in the reverse order. that's all
in general, the same as in the video. Integral price? For yourself for the future.
Dsoftgroup wrote: in general, the same as on the video. Integral price? For yourself for the future. Integral Valeo - 400 UAH and Cargo brushes - 10 UAH + 15 UAH to solder.
that is, it cost only to replace the brushes?
Dsoftgroup wrote: that is, it cost only to replace the brushes? Yes
I have gur liquid seeping through the lid. moreover, even after I pumped out the contents to a minimum. I don’t know why this is happening. but it hastened the demise of the regulator relay. made a full capital - collectors, bearings, relays, diodes. 160 $ when I was repairing the generator, I cut a protective casing from a 2-liter bottle and attached it to the gene. it is also very useful to close the holes in the bumper opposite the gene. until I closed it - it was scary to look at the casing.
by the way, the light bulb did not light up - I noticed that the wipers were somehow working slowly and measured the voltage in the network.
Taran wrote: my gur liquid seeps through the lid. moreover, even after I pumped out the contents to a minimum. I don’t know why this is happening. but it hastened the demise of the regulator relay. made a full capital - collectors, bearings, relays, diodes. 160 $ when I was repairing the generator, I cut a protective casing from a 2-liter bottle and attached it to the gene. it is also very useful to close the holes in the bumper opposite the gene. until I closed it - it was scary to look at the casing. How did you take off the generator?
removed the belt, the pump of the gidrach. unscrewed 4 bolts and took out the gene upwards. helped by a person who is periodically engaged in car service, but had to fiddle with it. we ask about fifty dollars for removal and installation, if there is no experience, it is better to give the money.
Good afternoon! Please tell us how to change the starter on the Citroen Berlingo? (Nikita)
Good afternoon, Nikita. We are ready to help you in solving this problem, so we have prepared a material regarding the replacement. In general, this process is quite simple and should not take long.
As you can see, in general there is nothing complicated here. But if you are not sure that you can do everything correctly, then it is better to contact the specialists.
For details on how to repair the starter on your own, see the video below (video by Valery Serdyuk).
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Actually, "The old woman did not suffer for a long time in high-voltage wires, her charred body was found by Timurovites in the bushes", after not long experiments for 2-3 minutes, the newly installed diode bridge died in Bose, emitting pshshsh and a light smoke!
Who knows instead of this Mitsubishi Bosch or Valeo from this 1.9 can you ram?
Maybe someone has such a dead generator, I'll buy it inexpensively and try to make my own start.
just as long as the diode bridge did not burn out, it was established that the regulator was working and adjusted to the last as he could, and even when the load was turned on (low beam and stove), the napruga on the battery stayed from 13.5-14 volts to 12.00-12.5, you can see everything is there a short circuit of the winding?
I'm worried about the current that the problem is not in the car, the atoms will buy another and he too. although Akum does not sit down overnight
the diode bridge still survived!
disconnected the power supply from the generator, the machine ran for about ten minutes - the generator was cold, connected, without load, only charging the battery (charged somewhere by 25%) at idle worked for a couple of minutes and already warmed up at the same time as soon as started immediately connected the tester to the battery, voltage bvlo somewhere around 12.5 and slowly rose and reached 14.2, drowned out when the generator was already significantly heated
Who else will have any ideas, well, except to buy a used or a new generator?
I threw in a used stator and it went.
Sachala aspired that the generator began to warm up again, but after a test drive it was no longer hot, the point is that after lighting the candles, they can work for another 30 seconds, and according to other sources, this time, plus I had a discharged battery, which also took over current for charging, so when I just started the car and turned on the stove at idle and the dipped beam naturally fell to the level of 12.6-12.9-13.4 and the generator began to get very hot, keep this in mind.
I also used such a strap to remove the belt
a piece of aluminum with a curved nail for 40, in the same photo there is an old roller, this is how it is inserted
with a 19 key, pull back the roller and insert the pin / nail
also, to remove the generator, I removed the other two rollers, then there is no need to remove the hydraulic pump
if you have any questions about the repair of the generator or the removal / installation, ask the princepe, I figured it out well in this matter.
In the article we will talk about how you can repair the generator with your own hands, and also try to understand its design.
The generator is an electrical equipment that has a very complex design. If it is broken or completely out of order, then the battery charge is completely absent, and the motor also stops functioning. You can purchase a new unit or contact a car service for the purpose of analyzing a breakdown or performing repair work, but these options for getting out of the situation will cost too much financial costs. Therefore, it is best to try to repair the generator yourself. This requires only a minimum of knowledge in electrical engineering, as well as the presence of a soldering iron and skills to work with it.
First, let's discuss the problems that can cause a generator to malfunction.
- First, it can be the rejection of any charger.
- Secondly, the generator may supply too little voltage.
- Thirdly, there may be an excess of charging energy - (relay regulator is faulty).
- Also, during the charging process, a warning light on the panel may flash.
- And lastly, during operation, the generator emits any extraneous sounds - (bearings are faulty).
Here are the most common problems that will signal a generator failure.
Below we will discuss some of the above problems in more detail.
Most often it occurs among car owners that charging is rejected, that is, the generator does not charge.
The reasons for this breakdown may be:
- the fuse has blown, or it may simply move away;
- breakage or sudden wear of the brushes;
- breakdown of the regulator relay;
- the occurrence of a winding short circuit (the rotor or stator circuit may be broken).
In several of the above malfunctions, you can simply replace the defective parts. But if the battery does not charge due to the short circuit of the winding, then in this case you can resort to several options for repairing this problem.
You can safely purchase a new winding, or repair the old one yourself. If, nevertheless, it happened that there was a break in the winding, then in this case it is necessary to repair the rotor, either send it for repair, or do it yourself.
Quite often you can find that the break occurred precisely in the area of the slip rings. To repair and solve the problem, it is worth rewinding the coil in the section where the rupture itself occurred. Make the wire so long that it is quiet enough for soldering to the slip ring itself. It is necessary to very carefully unsolder the end of the winding, which was previously broken and proceed to the production of a normal, that is, a serviceable end to the same previously broken winding.
It may also be that there was an accidental unsoldering of the tip just at the winding that has its own location on the rotor. Here you just need to solder it to its original place. If necessary, it is better to repair and clean the slip rings themselves on the generator. It may be deep enough, then you should turn to a file for help, thanks to which you can eliminate this problem in the generator.
In parallel with the repair of the above problems, another one can be eliminated, such as the occurrence of extraneous noise during the operation of the generator. To do this, it is necessary to thoroughly inspect the bearing, which is located on the rotor, and if you find any malfunctions, then it is best to replace it yourself, the bearings are not subject to repair. A common problem is the lack of play in the generator bearing. If it happened that this happened in your case, then it is worth dismantling the protective lining, after which it should be rinsed in gasoline and lubricated.
Now let's talk a little about what to do if there is a weak charge from the generator, or the completely opposite happens in general - that is, the battery is recharging. It is best in this case to start looking for a problem in the battery relay, and if necessary, replace it. Another reason for this defect may be the appearance of a hole in the diode, which is located in the diode bridge itself. As the practice of such malfunctions shows, it is recommended to simply replace the relay regulator at the place of repair, or, as it is called, the "diode bridge."
In this case, the cause may be an accidental breakdown of one diode (there may be several at the same time), which is responsible for the entire lamp supply circuit. They are also located on the diode bridge. You need to unscrew the nuts (key 7) on the generator and dismantle the fastening of the winding located on the stator. After that, it is worth creating a recoil of the nut and dismantling the diode bridge. In the process of performing this work, you can also make replacement or repair of the winding on the stator.
That's all there is to it. Do-it-yourself repair of the generator. But do not forget about the most important rule - for the successful completion of this repair, you should have at least minimal knowledge in the field of electrical engineering.
A car generator is a device that takes mechanical energy from an engine and converts it into electric current, thus providing electricity to the rest of the car's units. The generator provides battery charging and power to the vehicle's engine. Therefore, the connection "engine-generator" should not be interrupted, because an inoperative generator is a battery that does not receive a charge and, accordingly, an inoperative main body of the car.
Replacing the generator will entail significant financial costs. Therefore, if you have at your fingertips all the necessary tools and knowledge of the devices of the engine compartment of the car, then you can fix the breakdown yourself (read about what to do if the car does not start - the starter turns, read in our other article).
So the generator is broken. What malfunctions can cause this device to malfunction? Let's consider them:
- The generator produces a very low voltage current.
- The generator does not generate electricity at all.
- A breakdown of the device is displayed on the dashboard in the form of a blinking light.
- The generator is charging in excess of the optimal rate.
- Generator operation is accompanied by extraneous noise.
Before you start doing generator repairs with your own hands, it is necessary to check its technical condition and disassemble the unit into parts. Before disassembling the generator, check the condition of the belt and its tension and make sure if you are expecting a replacement of the alternator belt in the near future (read also how the timing belt is replaced with a VAZ 2109). Checking consists in pressing your finger on the middle of this part of the generator. If the belt is in good condition, then it should not fall by more than half a centimeter when pressed. It should be noted that the new belt should not bend more than 2 mm. If the belt is not worn out, but the tension is weak, then the defect can be corrected by tightening the generator belt. Also scroll the generator tension roller, if it scrolls with difficulty and squeaks, then it will need to be oiled, or put a new roller instead.
The technical condition of the generator can be checked using the following measuring instruments:
The rotor speed is measured using a tachometer (usually located next to the speedometer on the dashboard). During normal operation of the generator, the indicators of this device should not be less than 2000 rpm, while the norm is 5000 rpm.
Let's consider the reasons that can cause generator breakdown. So, if the generator does not generate a charge, then the following phenomena may be the reasons for this:
- Fuse or contacts blown.
- Broken or worn out generator brushes.
- The regulator relay is out of order.
- Due to the short circuit of the winding, an open circuit occurred in the stator or rotor circuit.
In order to fix the first three malfunctions from the list, you just need to replace the worn out parts of the generator, having previously, of course, disassembled it.
- First of all, remove the brush holder along with the voltage regulator, carefully unscrewing all fasteners.
- Remove the tensioning bolts and then the cover with the stator.
- Remove the cover from the stator by first disconnecting the phase windings from the output wires on the rectifier unit.
- Next, remove the pulley from the shaft and the front cover of the generator using a special puller.
The assembly of the generator is carried out in reverse order.
In the event of a short circuit in the winding, you will need more serious action than a simple replacement of the part. So, a broken winding can either be repaired or replaced with new wires. Often the winding breaks off near the slip rings. In addition, breakdown can occur due to unsoldering of any of the ends of the winding. Such a malfunction can be repaired by rewinding the coil in the area of the gap back from the rotor winding. Further, the broken end of the winding must be removed (evaporated) from the slip ring and the previously unwound wire must be soldered there. The wiring is very easy to repair by re-soldering the wiring.
A weak or too strong generator charge is indicated by a damaged relay, which must be replaced when the generator is repaired.
If the generator voltage check showed that the device is working, but the indicator is flashing on the instrument panel, then, most likely, one of the diodes that are responsible for powering the light in the indicator has failed. These diodes are located in the generator itself, and replacement is carried out after disassembling the device.
Noise unusual for a generator may be indicated by wear of the rotor bearing. If an inspection reveals that the generator bearing is worn out, it will need to be replaced. If the incomprehensible sounds of the generator are associated with the absence of play in the bearing, then it can be simply filled with oil, having previously washed it in gasoline. Extraneous sounds will then disappear.
Thus, you can even repair the generator on your own in your garage (as well as overhaul of the engine, in fact). When checking and replacing parts of the device, observe safety precautions and be careful, because the electrical system should not be damaged in this case.
