DIY fubag in 160 inverter repair

In detail: do-it-yourself repair of the fubag in 160 inverter from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.

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The Fubag in160 is similar to the GYSMI 161 circuitry.

I continue to repair IN160, the NCP1055 microcircuit was replaced from another batch, dead transistors Q11S02 = Q11S01 = BSR14, replacement from a donor, dead optocouplers U12X01, U41X01. The duty room started up, the fan is spinning. The S17LITE05 processor does not issue a PWM signal, therefore the power section does not start. I took off the force, unsoldered the comb, I did not find any broken elements.
Does anyone have a power section diagram?

S17LITE05 was thrown from the donor, there are no changes, not the fact that it is whole.

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  • Rummaged in the internet on one forum, I found that the matter could be in the firmware or calibration. I sin on it for now. Disassemble again, oh, how not a hunt! And so, when soldering the bridge from the main board, I damaged one track - I had to restore it with a MGTF wire. The design is just hellish) Please help, ipaSoft.

    • 1) Check this contact very well. Pay attention if there is no burnout of the interlayer bushings in the printed circuit board.
      2) Connect a 100 W light bulb as a load, only apply the load after turning on the device, and not before.
      3) If the voltage subsided, or rather, decreased to 0, then the contact between the rack and the board is bad. Connect the lamp to the rack. Repeat measurements.
      4) If the voltage sags, climb the oscillator onto the motherboard and check the signal on L6386: between 8 and 9 feet, between 12 and 13 feet.
      a) If there are pulses, then this is not firmware or calibration. Two options
      b) Both output diodes are broken. You can check with a tester.
      c) The amplifier stage from the complementary pair on the module is faulty (decoupling L6386 with MOSFET keys)

      Further, a huge complex branch for further troubleshooting of this machine. But I will not dump everything, I will listen to your measurements.

      Black Fire wrote:
      forget about the potential for failure of the power supply unit and whistling.

      My second year is whistling robust after a slight fall. Is it going to die soon?Image - DIY repair of the fubag in 160 inverter

      Exuberant wrote:
      My second year is whistling robust after a slight fall. Is it going to die soon? Image - DIY repair of the fubag in 160 inverter

      We're talking about a different whistle. Inverter series 130/160/170 whistle slightly when off (features of the auxiliary power supply unit)
      In your case - but who knows how much - maybe it will outlive us (you can't tell without looking)

      as an electronics engineer, I would advise when reworking switching power supplies
      use microcircuits that have the same operating frequency and are turned on
      according to typical schemes from datasheets found for example on ">,

      otherwise whistling, static chirping and output voltage jumps are possible
      in case of interference during welding in such a converted unit with unpredictable consequences
      for an expensive power unit,
      for example, in the recommended replacement NCP1055ST100T3G-TNY278PG, the first microcircuit
      operates at 100, and the second at 132kHz (like NCP1055ST136, operating at 132kHz),

      hence the question is whether it works without problems
      over the entire operating range of voltages and temperatures?

      and another very important is the snubber chain (according to the datasheet), the limiter in Russian, connected in parallel
      primary winding - the elements of this circuit operate at maximum mode
      and it is desirable to replace them with high-quality and powerful ones, which manufacturers often do not do (do not even install!)!

      electrolytic capacitors of rectifiers of secondary windings change to jamikon, green,
      with low series resistance (LowESR), which will save you a bunch of additional problems,

      rinse thoroughly from the flux and, after checking, cover the installation with heat-resistant varnish, even furniture,
      the tsapon peels off in some hot places, although where it is not hot, it will

      Basically, devices with defective microcircuits do not react in any way to attempts to turn on, but there were rare cases when Fubag IN160 inverter shutdown with warm-up, after a few seconds it turned on, then turned off again, and clicked. In this case, it turned out to check the microcircuit by turning on the device and, while clicking, gently leaning a cotton swab moistened with alcohol against it, the clicking immediately stopped and the inverter worked normally until the alcohol dried out.

      Sometimes, after opening the device and external examination, such defects of the NCP1055B microcircuit are visible, one might say, with the naked eye.

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      Often the microcircuit breaks down, by itself, without affecting the vital surrounding elements. Something she has personal problems with the tightness of the case. In such cases, it is sufficient to replace only the microcircuit. We will consider this option.

      First of all, we will clear the place from the killed microcircuit.

      It makes no sense to put it in the SOT-223 case again, since they are unreliable. Better to somehow contrive. and receive the FEATHER BIRD. no set the microcircuit to DIP-8.

      Comparing the conclusions of this microcircuit by the datasheet, we bend them in this way.

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      If everything is done correctly and the surrounding components are intact, which is better to be sure by using the circuit in advance and checking them, then the device turns on immediately and works great.

      On the forums, you can find options for replacing the NCP1055B with the TNY268 with a slight alteration of the circuit.
      remont22
      Posted 02 April 2011 - 01:57
      PWM NCP1055P100.
      From another forum.
      I fixed another dead body, with an "improved" duty feeder on the NCP1055 which constantly explodes.
      In general, this product can be exchanged for a TNY268 in a DIP-8 package. I soldered it onto a small breadboard, and connected it to the circuit with short conductors. How to do this is clear from the comparison of the documentation for these 2 mikruhi. The bypass kander (10mk) is changed to 0.1mk.
      A source.

      Which option to choose is at your discretion.

      Attention!
      Be careful when repairing the welding inverter with your own hands, the responsibility lies with you.

      Repair of welding inverters from Fubag and other manufacturers.

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          tehsvar (30 March 2014 - 16:53) wrote:

          Add what is the denomination of the green resistor, N55B burned out and burst

          Repair of welding inverters, despite its complexity, in most cases can be done independently. And if you are well versed in the design of such devices and have an idea of ​​what is more likely to fail in them, you can successfully optimize the costs of professional service.

          Replacement of radio components in the process of repairing a welding inverter

          The main purpose of any inverter is to generate a constant welding current, which is obtained by rectifying a high-frequency alternating current. The use of a high-frequency alternating current, converted by means of a special inverter module from a rectified mains supply, is due to the fact that the strength of such a current can be effectively increased to the required value using a compact transformer. It is this principle underlying the operation of the inverter that allows such equipment to have compact dimensions with high efficiency.

          Functional diagram of the welding inverter

          The welding inverter circuit, which determines its technical characteristics, includes the following main elements:

          • a primary rectifier unit, the basis of which is a diode bridge (the task of such a unit is to rectify an alternating current coming from a standard electrical network);
          • an inverter unit, the main element of which is a transistor assembly (it is with the help of this unit that the direct current supplied to its input is converted into an alternating current, the frequency of which is 50–100 kHz);
          • a high-frequency step-down transformer, on which, due to a decrease in the input voltage, the output current is significantly increased (due to the principle of high-frequency transformation, a current can be generated at the output of such a device, the strength of which reaches 200–250 A);
          • output rectifier, assembled on the basis of power diodes (the task of this block of the inverter includes rectifying an alternating high-frequency current, which is necessary for performing welding).

          The welding inverter circuit contains a number of other elements that improve its operation and functionality, but the main ones are the ones listed above.

          Repair of an inverter-type welding machine has a number of features, which is explained by the complexity of the design of such a device. Any inverter, unlike other types of welding machines, is electronic, which requires specialists involved in its maintenance and repair to have at least basic radio engineering knowledge, as well as skills in handling various measuring instruments - a voltmeter, digital multimeter, oscilloscope, etc. ...

          In the process of maintenance and repair, the elements that make up the welding inverter circuit are checked. This includes transistors, diodes, resistors, zener diodes, transformer and choke devices. The peculiarity of the design of the inverter is that very often during its repair it is impossible or very difficult to determine the failure of which particular element was the cause of the malfunction.

          A sign of a burnt out resistor may be a small carbon deposit on the board, which is difficult to distinguish with an inexperienced eye.

          In such situations, all the details are checked sequentially. To successfully solve such a problem, it is necessary not only to be able to use measuring instruments, but also to be quite familiar with electronic circuits. If you do not have such skills and knowledge at least at the initial level, then repairing a welding inverter with your own hands can lead to even more serious damage.

          Realistically assessing their strengths, knowledge and experience and deciding to undertake independent repair of inverter-type equipment, it is important not only to watch a training video on this topic, but also to carefully study the instructions, in which manufacturers list the most typical malfunctions of welding inverters, as well as ways to eliminate them.