I pull all the things out of the boat when I go to a dalny, a stronger boat and a motor, and alga, let it ride
Everyone knows the advantages and disadvantages of a rubber-harness trailer suspension. With a good load of the boat on the boat, there are no special problems. But during one-day fishing trips, there are no camping things, and the underloaded trailer starts to jump on bumps, although at high speed and a flat road it stands like a glove. In the AL-KO catalog on page 78, I found accessories for installing shock absorbers.
UNCLE VASY has nothing jumping, considers this suspension to be the height of engineering thought. I tried 30 km on asphalt, immediately returned it to the sellers, paid extra THREE, took the spring ALKO and I'm not overjoyed
And I have been skating for 6 years. The mileage is more than 17 thousand - and there are no questions about the suspension.
I personally saw some kind of import trailer on it in the parking lot with a rubber burner and the factory shock absorbers, I think it's great, if I really need to call the owner, I will find out whether I traveled far and how?
On MZSA trailers of large carrying capacity (axle load 1300 kg) there are small shock absorbers. Probably, it is not for nothing that they are not placed on an axis with a lower g / p.
Yes, not so much jumping. I scored. So far, only about 5 thousand have traveled. Let's see further. And it stands on the road really well.
The shock absorbers on the torsion axles Alco and Knot will not solve anything, because. their hub travel relative to the axis itself is very small (the consequences of a primitive design). On Pajero Sport and other imported vehicles, where the torsion bar is paired with a shock absorber, the design and price of the torsion bar is completely different.
it would be necessary to distinguish - "the penis from the handle of the shovel."
The softest trailer is springs and shock absorbers, the suspension travel for the Russian Federation is preferably 100-150 mm. - 20-30%
In order for a trailer with a rubber-harness suspension not to jump underloaded or empty, for a start, it is necessary to reduce the pressure in the wheels, because there the pressure is recommended for full load.
Uncle Vasya to the bathhouse: how aggressive you are!
Have you forgotten how fast you can move if you have a trailer ?!
With a trailer-70, without a trailer 90 on the highway, in the city 60.
a snowmobile - on a Trailer - MZSA, the trailer is more than 10 years old. used - for Work.
I'll show you the slip-trailer in the evening.
why are you so hovering that he is jumping?
It's very interesting with lanterns. Quick-detachable? I am always afraid to burn the wiring after pulling out the boat, usually right on the road, you will not dry it.
> With a trailer-70, without a trailer 90 on the highway, in the city 60.
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Vitaliy86 wrote:
Too much for this trailer. The boat is 800, and the trailer itself is 250 - the axle is overloaded. I have been dragging on such a K2M for 3 years, I tried not to load more than 600kg.
Vitaliy86 wrote:
In the passport, the carrying capacity is written for GAYS - so that the gross weight for 750 kg does not pass
In the passport, the carrying capacity is written for GAYS - so that the gross weight for 750 kg does not pass
SERGEY SIBERIA wrote:
And for real users, does it make up? Announce - it is very necessary. Apparently very secret data, tk. did not find it anywhere. Maybe I shouldn't sell my dashka, but load it in a ton and not take a steam bath?
Guys, on the lanterns, the issue is simply being resolved. Removable panel plus extra. the connector is the same as on the trailer. Everything has been working for more than one year.
if not a removable panel, then it is better to drill holes in the lanterns, preferably two or more in diameter, I made a 10 mm drill, everything merges and ventilates perfectly, especially on the move, I made holes in front of the lanterns and during the season nothing burned out and did not rust, I smeared everything contacts in lamps lithol.(both feet and turns and dimensions are on fire.) Before wintering, I once again smeared everything inside.
I also decided to make removable lights, install a second outlet on the towbar so that stationary and removable ones can be connected in parallel, and any of them separately. True, he left the number under his native lanterns. But you can move it to removable ones very quickly. I think that I will definitely use the factory lights at night, and during the day there are enough removable ones (since the room is not illuminated on them).
As for shock absorbers, in my opinion, they are not needed on a rubber-harness suspension with low travel. But to turn the axle in order to make the trailer itself (and the boat with it) lower, there is a desire. The ground clearance will decrease slightly. But I think it is worth it to reduce the depth of the trailer paddock into the water. In order to flip the axis, you need to cut out the strips into which it enters with a grinder. Flip the axle, flip the strips and weld again. Has anyone done this? And is there any point in doing?
Thanks to everyone who answered. For some reason, the discussion gradually boiled down to lanterns. Although the question was different. Having rummaged on the Internet, I realized that the shock absorbers on this suspension are relevant only under heavy load (specified in the TX prcepa). I have a gross weight of 280-350 kg. at max 550kg. But “the bad head haunts” 🙂 and in the spring I will put them on the trailer, and at the end of the next season I will unsubscribe.
Try to put on a motorcycle "Ural". They are short-stroke, small in size, easy to install, should be cheaper.
We still need to look for the relatives of the Uralskys! We sell products from China 1,500 pairs, they shine like a samovar, but they are empty inside, they do not hold
Good day to all! You probably noticed that when studying the MZSA trailers, Trailer and various other designs, I often focused on what kind of suspension is installed on this or that model. But it turned out that I did not take the time to consider the structures themselves for the trailer. Therefore, today the situation will be corrected.
We have a rubber-harness suspension under consideration. Such an axis has its pluses and minuses, features of work, device and design. Whether to buy it or not is a moot point. To begin with, I propose to find out what it is, how it works, how it differs from a spring one.
Let me also remind you that the rubber-harness suspension (RZHP) is also called torsion bar. Therefore, if you see one or the other concept, they mean the same design option.
Often people are interested in what is better, rubber-wired or leaf spring suspension from the point of view of its installation on a trailer. To begin with, I have already considered the spring suspension. Therefore, you can read about it in the previous materials.
All light trailer axles offered on the market are divided into 2 types:
torsion (rubber-harness);
spring.
RZhP consists of a hexagonal shaped tube. Inside it is another pipe, but smaller. This is necessary in order to place special rubber bands with high elasticity values between the metal elements, that is, pipes.
Due to this design, the inner tube does not rotate. The interior of the structure is directly connected to the levers to which the wheels of the car trailer are attached.
Since in the rubber-harness suspension all the moving components are hidden inside, this implies that there is no need for maintenance of the device as it is used.
The service life of such solutions is quite long, which makes it possible to count on long-term and trouble-free operation. But what if repairs are needed? In the event of a breakdown, you are essentially left without a suspension. Therefore, questions arise regarding the further operation of such a trailer.
In principle, you can fix the situation yourself.But it is better to contact a special trailer service. There you will be provided with qualified assistance in case of serious breakdowns.
I have already told you about the construction. Despite the protection against cranking in the RHP due to harnesses, certain movements occur there. This allows for shock absorption on uneven surfaces and creates a fairly smooth ride for the vehicle.
The smoothness of the movement largely depends on the profile of the pipe. Previously, square sections were used, where 4 bundles were located. This suspension was energy intensive, but very stiff.
Therefore, manufacturers gradually switched to hexagonal versions. The stiffness indicators dropped significantly, but this did not play a cruel joke with the softness of the stroke. Trailers stopped jumping on bumps, like abnormal ones, when moving empty without load.
By understanding how the suspension works, you can roughly estimate future operating conditions. If you are going to regularly drive a car with a caravan, transport some things without exceeding the maximum permissible load, there should be no problems with a rubber-harness suspension.
But there is always room for advantages and disadvantages. Let's talk about them further. In the meantime, you can watch interesting photos and videos that reveal the essence of the rubber-harness suspension and its appearance.
If we talk about the strengths and weaknesses that a rubber-harness device possesses, then very interesting and important details creep out here.
When choosing a domestic or imported trailer for your car, carefully weigh the pros and cons regarding the type of suspension.
For example, the spring options require reinforcement, therefore, usually, in addition to the spring sheets, shock absorbers are also installed. In the case of the rubber-harness version, this is not required. This is not an automotive spring suspension that is always under load. Sometimes you have to drive with an empty trailer, which reveals the main disadvantage of the springs.
If we talk about RGP, then here I have highlighted the following strengths:
The design is independent, resistant to various loads that do not exceed the manufacturer's standards;
Such suspensions provide a more impressive ground clearance for the trailer;
Trailers with such an axle usually have a lower loading height;
Virtually no service required. You just need to monitor the wheel bearings and change the lubricant there in time;
Compared with springs, rubber with harnesses is cheaper, which allows you to save your budget;
Doesn't require any special skills during installation. Reviews clearly prove that replacement is easy to do with your own hands. You just need to know how to do it;
This is a suspension variant specially designed for car trailers.
But do not rush to draw conclusions and buy yourself a new harness suspension for your Krepysh trailer, Trailer 82944C, Athletic or another model.
First, examine the disadvantages that are characteristic of the rubber-harness type axles. Of the objective disadvantages, it is worth highlighting the following:
The trailer travel is stiffer and shorter than that of a spring structure;
There is a so-called vertical buildup, when there is a tremor effect on the towbar;
The safety margin of RZhP is less;
Such devices are afraid of overload. If the trailer is loaded above the established norm, the probability of the lever breakage increases;
If the suspension breaks on the way, the trailer becomes unmanageable. You need to call a tow truck. A quick repair is not possible here.
If you decide to opt for the rubber-harness version, choose exclusively high-quality spare parts. Al-Ko components are showing themselves well.
Everywhere there are strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, when choosing a suspension for your trailer, focus more on the conditions in which the vehicle will be used most of the time.The correct choice of spare parts for a light trailer plays a key role in maintaining and extending the life of the structure.
Do not overload the vehicle, adhere to the rules for transporting a trailer, observe the recommended speed limit and service all structural elements on time. This way you can guarantee yourself trouble-free and long-term operation of your trailed wheeled vehicle for transporting goods.
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Good day everyone.
During operation, the following disadvantages were revealed:
(Pictured with a broken wheel.)
The problem of where to get spare rubber harnesses has not yet been resolved.
I wrote a letter to a factory in Hungary, they also do not want to sell gum.
"Good day!
If anyone has ideas for the selection of analogs of these harnesses, write
They asked me for a phone number, wrote in my profile. What I know, I will tell you.
I deleted posts about torsion bar suspensions: torsion bar and rubber-harness - two different types of suspensions
Post has been editedDobryakov76:30 March 2015 - 14:53
and the frame burst due to the suspension or just happened?
Oligarch
Great stuff. works adequately. The trailer stands perfectly on the road.
from personal experience 100 km / h working speed, everything else is unnecessary.
fuck the trailer!
It is inconvenient to load into such a van, it is necessary that the lid opens upwards.
A couple of vintage trailers with Automotive News
There is one! Great for transporting your motorcycle!
I'll give it for 15. I can even take it off from the register))
I don’t know for sure, but sellers claim that the rubber-harness is the most reliable. I had a tent trailer. 140 with a snowmobile at -25, and with a heavy motorcycle at + 35, he walked. Once in the rain the tent went off, I did not notice it right away. the downpour was concrete and I decided that the tubes were bent, and the awning was already ragged. in general, did not return. I sold it without an awning and bought it with a plastic roof, I like the fact that the shmurdyuk during the stop, no one stifled, he didn’t carry three motorcycles. but gave to Abbot.
Found someone to believe, they always say that they have only fresh sausages and everything is crunchy.
The major did the right thing, launched this topic on Motogon, I don’t want to duplicate messages, but opinions generally agree.
But it turned out to be a problem to shove into such 3 motikas.
TWO motika “jacks” get up as you don't need to do it, and there is still a lot of room for the shmurdyak!
But with three, I probably collected this Lego constructor (for children from 3 years old) for an hour and a half or two! The people can confirm.
Abbot will tell you how they loaded into it ..
I bought one a month and a half ago - I did not notice any problems either with the loading or with the fastening of 2 motorcycles. Rudder one to the right, the other to the left. Maximum five minutes for the whole process.
the wrong opinion of the villagers!
Apparently, you have axles with a low carrying capacity, or you did not carry it empty.
The suspension is rubber-wired. how is it.
Leaf springs on trailers in recent years have often begun to be made with low-leaf springs and a rigid lower "springs" providing the spring with a progressive characteristic with an increase in the compression stroke.
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Timofey »17 Oct 2014, 13:40
VladimirVS »Oct 20, 2014 12:31 pm
Timofey »20 Oct 2014, 13:17
Vladimir, thanks for the answer! Should this work be carried out by a certified service? Or you can do it on our own (we are an industrial enterprise, we have our own mechanical repair shop, welders with NAKS certificates, engineers who can make calculations and the necessary drawings). with the subsequent receipt of an opinion from you?
VladimirVS »20 Oct 2014, 14:04
Timofey »28 Nov 2014, 09:58
VladimirVS »28 Nov 2014, 10:48
Dronio »07 Mar 2015, 10:55
Pasha130686 »07 Mar 2015, 17:30
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and the frame burst due to the suspension or just happened?
Oligarch
Great stuff. works adequately. The trailer stands perfectly on the road.
from personal experience 100 km / h working speed, everything else is unnecessary.
fuck the trailer!
It is inconvenient to load into such a van, it is necessary that the lid opens upwards.
A couple of vintage trailers with Automotive News
There is one! Great for transporting your motorcycle!
I'll give it for 15. I can even take it off from the register))
I don’t know for sure, but sellers claim that the rubber-harness is the most reliable. I had a tent trailer. 140 with a snowmobile at -25, and with a heavy motorcycle at + 35, he walked. Once in the rain the tent went off, I did not notice it right away. the downpour was concrete and I decided that the tubes were bent, and the awning was already ragged. in general, did not return. I sold it without an awning and bought it with a plastic roof, I like the fact that the shmurdyuk during the stop, no one stifled, he didn’t carry three motorcycles. but gave to Abbot.
Found someone to believe, they always say that they have only fresh sausages and everything is crunchy.
The major did the right thing, launched this topic on Motogon, I don’t want to duplicate messages, but opinions generally agree.
But it turned out to be a problem to shove into such 3 motikas.
TWO motika “jacks” get up as you don't need to do it, and there is still a lot of room for the shmurdyak!
But with three, I probably collected this Lego constructor (for children from 3 years old) for an hour and a half or two! The people can confirm.
Abbot will tell you how they loaded into it ..
I bought one a month and a half ago - I did not notice any problems either with the loading or with the fastening of 2 motorcycles. Rudder one to the right, the other to the left. Maximum five minutes for the whole process.
the wrong opinion of the villagers!
Apparently, you have axles with a low carrying capacity, or you did not carry it empty.
The suspension is rubber-wired. how is it.
Video (click to play).
Leaf springs on trailers in recent years have often begun to be made with low-leaf springs and a rigid lower "springs" providing the spring with a progressive characteristic with an increase in the compression stroke.
