hello friends, this is the case, I put the 402 engine on, I don’t know how to bring the wires to the sensors, there was an engine injector earlier,
I changed the speedometer because of the odometer on my 3110 twice in 12 years and the pressure did not fly off, but I had to replace the fuel gauge. Interestingly, I bought almost the same in the store, but did not fit at all)) I had to stir up the old and new hybrid) and adjust the arrow by adding gasoline to the tank) The store said that there are at least two varieties of this device.
The instrument cluster of a Gazelle car can be two types: old and new, electronic ... Like most other cars, it includes four devices (speedometer, tachometer, coolant temperature gauge, fuel gauge) and warning lamps, there are twelve of them. A printed circuit board is installed on the inside of the case, the leads of which go to two plugs: white (X1) and red (X2).
Options for a complete refusal in the operation of the instrument cluster of a Gazelle car, two : the first option, when the arrows of all devices are at zero and do not react to the turn of the key in the ignition lock; the second option, when the arrows of the instruments do not lie at zero, but, on the contrary, go off scale. Of course, the ideal option would be to check a non-working instrument cluster at the stand, but it can only be found in a specialized workshop, of which there are not so many in the vast territory of Russia.
If instrument arrows are at zero , what can the driver do in this situation? Most likely, in this case, the contact in the circuit from the storage battery to the terminal "87" of the ignition switch unloading relay is broken. Therefore, he will have to check the safety of the fuses, the condition of the pads included in this electrical circuit and the connection of the instrument cluster to ground. On the white block (X1) of the instrument panel, the ground wire fits to 1 plug, and on the red block (X2), the ground wire fits to the 3 plug.
If the above actions did not give any result, then there are again two exits: either, you will have to replace the instrument cluster by purchasing a new one; or try to independently check the printed circuit board for breaks. True, the cost of a new instrument cluster is quite high, more than 10 thousand rubles. So you can try to restore it, although the manufacturer believes that the instrument cluster cannot be repaired. Often peeling off the tracks of the circuit board occurs due to strong pressure on the connector of the shoe during assembly. Therefore, the breaks in the tracks, you can try to solder in order to restore the operability of the instrument panel.
The reason for the off-scale devices may be a malfunction in the controller of the electronic control unit Mikas 10.3, this malfunction often occurs in the cold season. In this case, it is necessary to carry out diagnostics and the error that has occurred, erase it by updating the software to a more recent serial version. Also, a similar malfunction may appear after the controller is flashed.
To control the systems, the GAZ car is equipped with a combination of instruments in which control devices are installed: voltage indicator, tachometer, speedometer, engine temperature indicator, oil pressure indicator, fuel level indicator and warning lights. The connection of the contacts of the instrument cluster is shown in the electrical diagrams below, and the location of the electrical connectors can be seen in the photographs. The information is provided as a guide to self-troubleshooting and do-it-yourself instrument panel replacement.
1 Coolant temperature sensor
1 Battery
1 Housing for analog signals
1 Diagnostic indicator (-)
The pin assignment of instrument combinations of the 38.3801 family in various versions is shown in the table:
Many car owners of a gazelle or Volga car with an old-style dashboard tend to change it to a new-style dashboard, in which most of the indicators are replaced with modern LED ones, and such a dashboard looks much prettier and brighter.
So, to remove the instrument cluster, first remove the lining by unscrewing the four screws. Then remove the four screws securing the combination; disconnect the electrical connectors and remove the instrument cluster. Repair the instrument cluster by block replacement of faulty instruments. To replace devices, remove the protective glass and on the reverse side unscrew the fastening nuts of the faulty device.
The reason why many drivers install the Gazelle Business dashboard is that it looks better. The second reason why it is worth buying this particular version of the panel is the functionality and the increased number of opportunities to monitor the performance of the car.
The euro-type panel has 2 large dials - a speedometer and a tachometer, as well as 2 small ones, which show the amount of gasoline and the temperature of the coolant. The rest of the information about the state of the nodes and the errors that have occurred is displayed using the lit indicators in the middle of the panel. The simpler design significantly relieves the driver's attention.
VIDEO Disconnect the wire from the negative terminal on the vehicle battery. Unscrew the mounting screws and remove the A-pillar trim. Gently pull out the extension, first prying it off with a thin screwdriver. Remove the fuse block cover and unscrew the screws securing the blocks. Then carefully pull out the fuse boxes, making sure that the connector blocks come out of the dashboard. Using a screwdriver, unscrew the two self-tapping screws located in the antenna visor. After that, remove the two plugs that are under the petals of the wipers and turn signals, and remove the visor. The Gazelle instrument panel itself is supported by 4 self-tapping screws.
Unscrew the screws and pull out the panel. To remove the shield, remove the four plugs.
Carefully remove the steering column by removing the dashboard amplifier and steering column shrouds. Disconnect the return spring. Then remove the side upholstery and hoses of the pipes.
Following this, remove the plastic fastening clamps, and then - the wiring harnesses. With a little effort, pull the Gazelle dashboard towards you. The task was solved: the instrument panel was dismantled.
Remove all fastening screws and bolts very carefully, because otherwise, if you apply more force than necessary, you can damage the dashboard, which will ruin its appearance.
When dismantling the Gazelle instrument panel, remember (or better photograph) the procedure for connecting the wires to the switches. If the wiring is incorrectly connected, the vehicle will not function correctly. The correctness of the wiring connection depends, for example, on the accuracy of the instrument readings and other equally important parameters.
Replacing the native instrument illumination with a Gazelle
You will need flat and Phillips screwdrivers.
1. Remove the three screws securing the windscreen deflector ...
4.… and remove the left nozzle of the ventilation and heating system.
5. Remove the right nozzle in the same way.
6. Pry with a screwdriver and remove the rear window heating switch from the console trim.
7. Disconnect the harness connector from the heated rear window switch.
9. Remove the pins of the storage compartment cover from the holes of the console overlay and remove the cover.
10. Remove the four screws securing the console trim.
12.… And remove the container from the dashboard (or remove the radio, if installed).
13. Disconnect the audio harness pads.
14. Remove the two screws securing the console trim located on the sides of the radio window.
15. Remove the console trim, overcoming the resistance of the spring clips at the top of it.
16. Squeeze out from the back ...
17.… and remove the hazard warning light switch.
18. Press down on the latch on the harness shoe ...
19. ... and disconnect the block from the switch.
20. Disconnect the wiring harness pads from the watch ...
21. ... from the heater motor switch ...
22.… and from the heater control unit.
24. ... and remove the clock from the console cover.
25. Remove the four screws securing the heater control unit to the console trim ...
27. Remove the two screws securing the center ventilation system nozzle to the console trim.
28. Press out the four catches at the top ...
29. ... and four clips from the bottom of the nozzle ...
31. Remove the screw securing the fuse and relay box ...
33. Disconnect the harness connector from the glove box light switch.
34. Remove the switch fastening screw ...
36. Use a screwdriver to pry the glove box lighting cover and remove it from the instrument panel.
37. Depress the latch and disconnect the block of the wiring harness from the lamp.
38. Remove the two screws securing the left ventilation duct ...
40. Remove the right air duct in the same way.
41. Unscrew the two screws securing the gearmotor of the air flow distribution flap, remove the gearmotor ...
42. ... and disconnect the harness block.
43. Remove the two screws securing the foot heating air duct ...
44. ... and remove the air line.
45. Remove the two screws securing the air heating distributor ...
46. ... and remove the distributor.
47. Assemble the instrument panel in the reverse order to disassembly.
Is it worth installing a new Gazelle dashboard in the car, or is the old panel quite suitable for use? The question is quite common, especially for those drivers who have had the opportunity to update their car a little. It is worth installing a new thing, but how much it will cost is another question.
Classic Gazelle dashboard
The dashboard performs one function - information. In a small area in the torpedo of the car, all the devices with indicators of the car's operation are located, this is both good and not very good. While the driver is looking for an indicator, an indicator of revolutions, he is distracted from the road, creating conditions for an emergency. Nevertheless, the majority of Gazelle users eventually get used to the appearance of the panel and already intuitively inspect one or another part of it to obtain information.
The standard panel on most modifications of the Gazelle looks like 3-5 round dials surrounded by several signaling devices. The main gauges - the speedometer and tachometer are large.
The reason many drivers install the Business Gazelle dashboard is simple - it looks better. The second reason why it is worth buying this particular version of the panel is the functionality and the increased number of opportunities to monitor the performance of the car.
Business Gazelle dashboard design
The euro-type panel has 2 large dials - a speedometer and a tachometer, as well as 2 small ones, which show the amount of gasoline and the temperature of the coolant.The rest of the information about the state of the nodes and the errors that have occurred is displayed using the lit indicators in the middle of the panel. The simpler design significantly relieves the driver's attention.
Gazelle car models
The downside of such a panel is that on most Gazelles you will have to sweat a little when connecting. The pinout diagram of the device is included in the kit, so there will be problems with the connection if you have not encountered such work before. You will also have to add several terminals, and also change several contacts so that all devices and sensors work correctly.
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In most cases, everything works properly without the slightest damage, but the new panel can still be modified. Many people do not like the weak illumination of devices, which is practically useless at night. It is recommended to install LED lighting and diodes inside the devices and around the entire perimeter of the panel for better visual perception. The new Gazelle instrument panel has almost 20 indicators that light up when a malfunction occurs.
4 of them, which indicate the level of emergency oil pressure, overheating of the coolant, emergency amount of fluid in the brakes and the parking brake operation sensor, can indicate serious damage to the system.
If one of the mentioned indicators comes on together with the "STOP" button, it is recommended not to start the ride until the damage has been repaired.
Even if you change the panel to a Gazelle, you will not be able to get rid of all the problems. Problems often occur after replacement. The most common ones are:
individual sensors or the entire panel stops working;
Instrument readings "freeze";
the sensors are lying, the indicators are incorrect.
Most of the drivers panic, then dismantle the panel in parts, which only makes it worse. Here are some solutions for most panels:
The first thing that should always be done in the event of a malfunction of such devices is to check the wire contacts. Breakage or breakdown may cause malfunction. You should also examine the nutrition. Pinout and instrument cluster on the Gazelle panel
If everything is in order, but the panel did not work, the controller has broken. In most cases, it is easier to buy a new panel than to replace the controller.
Some sensors can fail due to broken contact. Another reason could be defective fuses.
The "Mode" button will help to restore the instrument readings if the system malfunctions.
Specifications Gazelle GAZ-27057
Since the electronic system is not improved with the replacement of the panel, and the devices are more demanding, problems occur with the electronics. Replacing the wiring and fuses most often solves the problem. Basically, reviews about the operation of the instrument panel are approving, but on some old car models there are a number of problems that are solved only by installing their own devices.
The dashboard is only part of the Euro kit for the Gazelle business.
Illumination of the instrument panel Gazelle
New models of Gazelles come with updated internal filling, including the torpedo, which houses the panel. Can a new torpedo be installed instead of the old one? Many drivers are considering this option, but most do not dare to do such a serious tuning of the cabin. The installation of the instrument panel is simple in that almost nothing is needed to finish in the fastening structure, and the seat coincides with the dimensions of the panel. The torpedo on the gazelle differs not only in its attachments, but also in its shape, which makes it impossible to install it without significant design modifications. You will have to figure out what to do with the euro torpedo yourself.
In some cases, for example, to repair the heating system, it is necessary to completely dismantle the torpedo. The process is not the easiest, because you need to know from which side to approach such an issue.
Repair and operation of the Gazelle
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Installation of the Gazelle Europanel is recommended for most owners of newer models. Some models strongly conflict due to incompatibility of electronics, but it is not always possible to guess exactly whether the panel will fit or not. The torpedo should be changed whenever possible.
disassemble the panel gazelle business
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Three instrument combinations can be installed on cars of the GAZelle family of different years of production and configurations: the old model of production until 2003, the new model of production since 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-4063, ZMZ-40522, UMZ-4215 and a new model of production since 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218.
The instrument cluster combines all of the vehicle's instrumentation.
It includes a speedometer, total and daily mileage counters (in combinations of the old model of production until 2003 and the new model of production since 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-4963 ZMZ-40522 and UM Z-4215, mechanical counters, and in combination of a new production sample since 2003 for cars with ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218 engines, counters are located on the first liquid crystal display), an electronic tachometer (from 0 to 6000 min-1), a clock and a voltmeter on the second liquid crystal display (in combination with a new production sample with 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218), coolant temperature gauge, fuel level gauge, control and signal lamps, backlight lamps. Indicators of temperature and fuel level are electromagnetic type.
The instrument cluster of a new model of release since 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218 provides for the function of sound signaling in the event of an emergency. In addition, it uses the "night" and "day" modes of backlighting liquid crystal displays for easy viewing of readings.
The developers of the instrument cluster have also introduced a self-test mode, which allows you to control the serviceability of the pointer indicators, the output of information on liquid crystal displays, the operability of alarm indicators
The instrument cluster is not repairable, therefore, in the event of instrument failure, it is replaced as a complete assembly.
The dashboard has a combination of devices, which combines in one housing:
- speedometer (with total and daily mileage counters);
- indicators of coolant temperature, fuel level (with fuel reserve indicator), oil pressure (with emergency pressure indicator);
- a block of signaling devices for a battery charge, a high beam of headlights, direction indicators, a side light, an emergency drop in the level of the brake fluid and parking brake, overheating of the coolant, turning on the center differential lock of the transfer case (for 4x4 modification).
1. Disconnect the battery.
2. Using a short Phillips screwdriver, unscrew the two self-tapping screws for the upper fastening of the instrument cluster trim
3. Using a screwdriver, unscrew the two self-tapping screws of the lower fastening of the cladding of the instrument cluster
5. Using the pliers, unscrew the nut securing the handle for zeroing the daily mileage counter.
6. We recessed the handle into the control panel.
7. With a long slotted screwdriver, unscrew the two screws from the ends of the instrument cluster
8. Having taken out the instrument cluster from the panel, unscrew the nut securing the speedometer drive cable.
9. Disconnect the three connector blocks from the terminals of the instrument cluster. Pads vary in color and number of connectors, so you do not need to label them.
10.To replace the instrument illumination lamps, turning the cartridge counterclockwise, remove it from the instrument cluster
11. We replace the faulty lamp.
12. To replace the warning lamp, turn the cartridge counterclockwise and remove it from the instrument cluster
13. We change the defective lamp together with the socket.
We assemble and install the instrument cluster in reverse order.
How to replace the old-style instrument cluster with a Gazelle, with a new instrument cluster 385.3801-10. Here is a detailed description of the shield replacement. Many car owners of a gazelle or Volga car with an old-style dashboard tend to change it to a new-style dashboard, in which most of the indicators are replaced with modern LED ones, and such a dashboard looks much prettier and brighter. But there is only one problem, one-to-one change of the instrument panel will not work. Either half of the indicators will not light up, or, on the contrary, unnecessary indicators will light up. Let us figure out how to install a new instrument cluster (shield) 385.3801-10 instead of the old panel with 384.3801-10 bulbs that has served for many years. To begin with, we present to your attention a combination of devices of the old and the leg model.
In our case, we changed the instrument cluster on a Gazelle car with a ZMZ 405 Euro-2 engine and a Mikas 11 control unit. If you just take and put the instrument cluster without reworking the wiring, then our combination will work by half. What will not work or will not work as expected:
- The CHECK ENGINE indicator will not work (when the ignition is turned on, the indicator does not light up)
Why is this so, you ask. It's just that the wiring connectors lack the necessary contacts for the correct operation of the combination. Let's figure out in more detail which contacts we need are missing, but first, let's give an example of the pinout of the old-style instrument cluster 384.3801-10
XP1 connector
XP2 connector
Connector XP2 Red
XP3 connector
Connector XP3 Black
XP4 connector
In order for the instrument cluster of a new sample 385.3801-10 to work on our wiring, you need to add the following contacts: EBD , if nothing is connected, the EBD indicator will be on ABS , if nothing is connected, the ABS indicator will be on
- pins 3 and 5 of XP4 connector are simply swapped. For proper lamp operation CHECK ENGINE .
We will also give the pinout of the instrument panel of the new sample 385.3801-10
Is it worth installing a new Gazelle dashboard in the car, or is the old panel quite suitable for use? The question is quite common, especially for those drivers who have had the opportunity to update their car a little. It is worth installing a new thing, but how much it will cost is another question.
Classic Gazelle dashboard
The dashboard performs one function - information. In a small area in the torpedo of the car, all the devices with indicators of the car's operation are located, this is both good and not very good. While the driver is looking for an indicator, an indicator of revolutions, he is distracted from the road, creating conditions for an emergency. Nevertheless, the majority of Gazelle users eventually get used to the appearance of the panel and already intuitively inspect one or another part of it to obtain information.
The standard panel on most modifications of the Gazelle looks like 3-5 round dials surrounded by several signaling devices. The main gauges - the speedometer and tachometer are large.
The reason many drivers install the Business Gazelle dashboard is simple - it looks better.The second reason why it is worth buying this particular version of the panel is the functionality and the increased number of opportunities to monitor the performance of the car.
Business Gazelle dashboard design
The downside of such a panel is that on most Gazelles you will have to sweat a little when connecting. The pinout diagram of the device is included in the kit, so there will be problems with the connection if you have not encountered such work before. You will also have to add several terminals, and also change several contacts so that all devices and sensors work correctly.
VIDEO
In most cases, everything works properly without the slightest damage, but the new panel can still be modified. Many people do not like the weak illumination of devices, which is practically useless at night. It is recommended to install LED lighting and diodes inside the devices and around the entire perimeter of the panel for better visual perception. The new Gazelle instrument panel has almost 20 indicators that light up when a malfunction occurs.
4 of them, which indicate the level of emergency oil pressure, overheating of the coolant, emergency amount of fluid in the brakes and the parking brake operation sensor, can indicate serious damage to the system.
If one of the mentioned indicators comes on together with the "STOP" button, it is recommended not to start the ride until the damage has been repaired.
Even if you change the panel to a Gazelle, you will not be able to get rid of all the problems. Problems often occur after replacement. The most common ones are:
individual sensors or the entire panel stops working;
Instrument readings "freeze";
the sensors are lying, the indicators are incorrect.
Most of the drivers panic, then dismantle the panel in parts, which only makes it worse. Here are some solutions for most panels:
The first thing that should always be done in the event of a malfunction of such devices is to check the wire contacts. Breakage or breakdown may cause malfunction. You should also examine the nutrition.
Pinout and instrument cluster on the Gazelle panel
Since the electronic system is not improved with the replacement of the panel, and the devices are more demanding, problems occur with the electronics. Replacing the wiring and fuses most often solves the problem.
The dashboard is only part of the Euro kit for the Gazelle business.
Illumination of the instrument panel Gazelle
In some cases, for example, to repair the heating system, it is necessary to completely dismantle the torpedo. The process is not the easiest, because you need to know from which side to approach such an issue.
Gazelle until 2009. Removing and disassembling the instrument panel - part 2
... five self-tapping screws in the central part of the dashboard.
... and one next to the switch for the left row of the interior lampshades.
Remove the dashboard trim by disengaging its two lower latches from the dashboard.
Use a Phillips screwdriver to unscrew the six self-tapping screws for the outer panel of the glove box cover.
and remove the outer panel.
Compressing the spring, we remove the axle of the glove box cover from the eyelet.
Similarly, we remove the axis from the lug on the other side of the cover.
... and remove the cover of the glove box.
Using the "8" head, turn off the five self-tapping screws for the glove box.
Use a Phillips screwdriver to unscrew the two self-tapping screws for fastening the lock of the glove compartment.
Use a Phillips screwdriver to unscrew the self-tapping screw for the right deflector.
Using the "8" head on the inside of the dashboard, we turn off the second self-tapping screw for attaching the deflector.
Remove the deflector from the instrument panel.
From the inside of the dashboard.
... with the "8" head turn off the four self-tapping screws for the two glove box mounting brackets.
Using the "8" head, turn off the three self-tapping screws of the lower fastening of the glove box.
Disconnect the wiring block from the glove box lighting.
Squeezing the latches, remove the backlight holder from the cigarette lighter.
The instrument cluster of a Gazelle car can be of two types: old and new, electronic. Like most other cars, it includes four devices (coolant temperature gauge, fuel level gauge) and control lamps, there are twelve of them. P A printed circuit board is installed on the inside of the case, the leads of which go out to two plugs: white (X1) and red (X2). Options for a complete refusal in the operation of the instrument cluster of a Gazelle car,
If the instrument arrows are at zero, then what can the driver do in this situation? Most likely, in this case, the contact in the circuit from the storage battery to terminal 87 of the unloading relay of the ignition switch is broken. Therefore, he will have to check the safety of the fuses, the condition of the pads included in this electrical circuit and the connection of the instrument cluster to ground. On the white block (X1) of the instrument panel, the ground wire fits to 1 plug, and on the red block (X2), the ground wire fits to the 3 plug. If the above actions did not give any result, then there are again two exits: either, you will have to replace the instrument cluster by purchasing a new one; or try to independently check the printed circuit board for breaks. True, the cost of a new instrument cluster is quite high, more than 10 thousand rubles.
VIDEO So you can try to restore it, although the manufacturer believes that the instrument cluster cannot be repaired. Often, peeling of the circuit board tracks occurs due to strong pressure on the connector of the shoe during assembly. Therefore, the breaks in the tracks, you can try to solder in order to restore the operability of the instrument panel. The reason for the off-scale devices may be a malfunction of the controller of the electronic control unit Mikas 10. 3, this malfunction occurs more often in the cold season. In this case, it is necessary to carry out diagnostics and the error that has occurred, erase it by updating the software to a more recent serial version. Also, a similar malfunction may appear after the controller has been flashed. Hello. Please answer two questions that I did not find in the topic or I overlooked.
VIDEO For the second time since 2004, the odometer has come back, the speedometer needle is working, but the numbers are spinning and not. I believe that if because of the harness or the sensor, then the arrow would not work either, but it regularly shows the speed. Question 1. Or am I wrong and because of the harness or sensor, it may be that the speed shows, but the numbers are not? When the first time the same story happened, I replaced the device - everything worked. And now the jamb: these speedometers have disappeared in stores, and recently they cost more than 2,000 rubles. But for 4000 you can buy a new set entirely from a business gazelle. And in one of the stores they told me that those speedometers-odometers stopped doing. Question 2. If you put a tidy from a business gazelle instead of mine, will it stupidly fit, or will you have to set it up? Motor 406 carbide. Gazelle 2004
Thank you. Be silent. do not know, probably.Well, okay, can anyone help. To myself, beloved. Disassembled the tidy. I jacked up a wheel, a motor that jerks back and forth on the odometer, but does not spin. I poked it with a tester. Three wires are suitable for the motor, the mains voltage on the middle red. White and blue wires around the edges. Weight. When checking with red in motion, when the gimbal rotates, a pulsating voltage arises, often accelerating with increasing speed. Both in blue and white. I tear off and ring the motor. It rings in one direction from the middle, but not in the other. The motor burned out. Stepper motor. DSh32-2.5-22.5. 12volt. Tomorrow I'm going to look around the city. The price is interesting. The speedometer goes off scale for one and a half, and they say they stopped producing. There is no such DS on sale. And there are no others. DS only, it will not work. All the radio mages of the glorious city of Saratov have passed, the DSh is mute. Probably they only made a special order for the tidy.
Video (click to play).
I found out in various Gazovsky stores, everyone says that the Kaluga plant has stopped making such tidy, and now everyone who breaks down the tidy is like putting a business tidy in my place. There are also four connectors, the same self-tapping screws. But in one store they said that some kind of wire should be thrown to the tachometer additionally. xs. Therefore, with your permission, I will repeat the question, Are there those who put a business tidy instead of tidying a pre-business car? What kind of wires are missing there? And poke my nose in the email. the scheme of the business gazelle and mine, if possible. Do not be lazy, poke Claudia. Passenger gazelle, I work only on orders, without an odometer it is impossible, how then can you take money from people for mileage! Post has been editedShurik 60: 14 April 2013 - 12:51
