hello friends, such a thing is here, put the 402 engine, I don’t know how to bring the wires to the sensors, the engine used to be an injector,
I changed the speedometer because of the odometer on my 3110 twice in 12 years and the pressure didn’t fly off, but I had to replace the fuel gauge. Interestingly, I bought almost the same in the store, but didn’t fit at all)) and adjust the arrow by pouring gasoline into the tank) The store said that there are at least two varieties of this tidy.
The instrument cluster of a Gazelle car can be two types: old and new, electronic . Like on most other cars, it includes four instruments (speedometer, tachometer, coolant temperature gauge, fuel gauge) and warning lamps, twelve of them. A printed circuit board is installed on the inside of the case, the leads of which go to two plugs: white (X1) and red (X2).
Options for a complete failure in the operation of the instrument cluster of a Gazelle car, two : the first option, when the arrows of all devices lie at zero and do not react to turning the key in the ignition; the second option, when the instrument arrows do not lie at zero, but, on the contrary, go off scale. Of course, the ideal option would be to check the non-working instrument cluster on the stand, but it can only be found in a specialized workshop, which are not so many in the vast territory of Russia.
If gauges are at zero , then what can the driver do in this situation? Most likely, in this case, the contact in the circuit from the battery to the output "87" of the ignition switch unloading relay is broken. Therefore, he will have to check the safety of the fuses, the condition of the pads included in this electrical circuit and the connection of the instrument cluster to ground. On the white block (X1) of the instrument panel, the ground wire goes to plug 1, and on the red block (X2), the ground wire goes to plug 3.
If the above actions did not give any result, then again there are two outputs: either, you will have to replace the instrument cluster by purchasing a new one; or try to independently check the printed circuit board for breaks. True, the cost of a new instrument cluster is quite high, more than 10 thousand rubles. So you can try to restore it, although the manufacturer believes that the instrument cluster cannot be repaired. Often the peeling of circuit board tracks is due to strong pressure on the pad connector when they are assembled. Therefore, breaks in the tracks, you can try to solder in order to restore the instrument panel to working capacity.
The cause of the instruments going off scale may be a malfunction of the controller of the electronic control unit Mikas 10.3, this malfunction occurs more often in the cold season. In this case, it is necessary to carry out diagnostics and the error that has arisen, erase it by updating the software to a more recent serial version. Also, a similar malfunction may appear after the firmware of the controller.
To control the systems, the GAZ car is equipped with a combination of instruments in which control devices are installed: a voltage gauge, a tachometer, a speedometer, an engine temperature gauge, an oil pressure gauge, a fuel level gauge and signaling devices. The connection of the contacts of the instrument cluster is shown in the electrical diagrams below, and you can see the location of the electrical connectors in the photographs. The information is provided as a guide to do-it-yourself troubleshooting and do-it-yourself instrument panel replacement.
1 Coolant temperature sensor
1 Battery
1 Housing for analog signals
1 Diagnostic indicator(-)
The pin assignment of instrument clusters of the 38.3801 family in various versions is shown in the table:
Many car owners of a Gazelle or Volga car with an old-style instrument panel tend to change it to a new-style instrument panel, in which most of the indicators have been replaced with modern LEDs, and such an instrument panel looks much prettier and brighter.
So, to remove the instrument cluster, first remove the lining by unscrewing the four screws. Then unscrew the four screws securing the combination; disconnect electric sockets and remove a combination of devices. Repair the instrument cluster by block replacement of faulty instruments. To replace devices, remove the protective glass and unscrew the nuts securing the defective device on the reverse side.
The reason why many drivers install the Gazelle Business dashboard is that it looks better. The second reason why you should buy this particular version of the panel is the functionality and an increased number of opportunities to monitor the performance of the car.
The euro type panel has 2 large dials - a speedometer and a tachometer, as well as 2 small ones, which show the amount of gasoline and the temperature of the coolant. The rest of the information about the state of the nodes and the errors that have occurred is displayed using the burning signaling devices in the middle of the panel. A simpler design significantly relieves the driver's attention.
VIDEO Disconnect the wire from the negative terminal on the car battery. Unscrew the fastening screws and remove the upholstery of the front pillar. Gently pull out the extension, first prying it out with a thin screwdriver. Remove the cover of the safety blocks and unscrew the screws fixing the blocks. After that, carefully pull out the fuse boxes, making sure that the plug-in sockets come out of the instrument panel. Use a screwdriver to unscrew the two screws located in the antenna visor. After that, remove the two plugs that are under the petals of the wipers and turn signals, and remove the visor. The Gazelle dashboard itself rests on 4 self-tapping screws.
Loosen the screws and pull out the panel. To pull out the shield, remove the four plugs.
Carefully remove the steering column by removing the instrument panel reinforcement and steering column shrouds. Disconnect the return spring. Then remove the side upholstery and nozzle hoses.
Following this, remove the plastic fastening clamps, and then the wiring harnesses. With a little effort, pull the Gazelle dashboard towards you. The task was solved: the instrument panel was dismantled.
Remove all mounting screws and bolts very carefully, because otherwise, if you apply more force, you can damage the instrument panel, which will ruin its appearance.
When dismantling the Gazelle dashboard, remember (or better take a picture) the order of connecting the wires to the switches. If you connect the wiring incorrectly, the car will not function correctly. For example, the accuracy of instrument readings and other equally important parameters depend on the correct wiring connection.
Replacing native instrument lighting on the Gazelle
You will need flat and Phillips screwdrivers.
1. Turn out three screws of fastening of a deflector of an obduv of a windshield...
4. ... and remove the left nozzle of the ventilation and heating system.
5. Remove the right nozzle in the same way.
6. Pry with a screwdriver and remove the rear window heating switch from the console overlay.
7. Disconnect the wiring harness connector from the rear window heating switch.
9. Remove the pins of the storage compartment cover from the holes in the console trim and remove the cover.
10.Remove the four screws securing the console trim.
12. ... and remove the container from the instrument panel (or remove the radio if it is installed).
13. Disconnect the audio system harness pads.
14. Turn out two screws of fastening of an overlay of the console located on sides of a window under a radio tape recorder.
15. Remove the console overlay, overcoming the resistance of the spring holders in its upper part.
16. Squeeze out from the back ...
17. ... and remove the alarm switch.
18. Press the clamp of the wiring harness block ...
19. ... and disconnect the block from the switch.
20. Disconnect the wiring harness pads from the clock ...
21. ... from the heater motor switch ...
22. ... and from the heater control unit.
24. ... and remove the clock from the console overlay.
25. Remove the four screws securing the heater control unit to the console overlay ...
27. Turn out two screws of fastening of the central nozzle of system of ventilation to an overlay of the console.
28. Press the four latches on top ...
29. ... and four retainers below the nozzle ...
31. Remove the screw securing the fuse and relay box ...
33. Disconnect the wiring harness block from the glove box illumination switch.
34. Turn out the screw of fastening of the switch...
36. Pry off the glove box light with a screwdriver and remove it from the instrument panel.
37. Wring out a clamp and disconnect a block of a plait of wires from a plafond.
38. Remove the two screws securing the left air duct of the ventilation system ...
40. Remove the right air duct in the same way.
41. Remove the two screws securing the air distribution damper gearmotor, remove the gearmotor ...
42. ... and disconnect the wiring harness block.
43. Turn out two screws of fastening of an air line of heating of legs …
44. ... and remove the air line.
45. Turn out two screws of fastening of the distributor of air heating...
46. ... and remove the distributor.
47. Assemble the instrument panel in the reverse order of disassembly.
Is it worth it to install a new Gazelle instrument panel in a car, or is the old panel quite suitable for use? The question is quite common, especially among those drivers who have had the opportunity to upgrade their car a little. Installing a new thing is worth it, but how much it will cost is another question.
Classic Gazelle dashboard
The instrument panel performs one function - informational. In a small area in the dashboard of the car, all the instruments with indicators of the operation of the car are placed, which is both good and not very good. While the driver is looking for an indicator, an indicator of speed, he is distracted from the road, creating the conditions for an emergency. Nevertheless, most Gazelle users eventually get used to the appearance of the panel and already intuitively inspect one or another part of it for information.
The standard panel on most modifications of the Gazelle looks like 3-5 round dials surrounded by several signaling devices. The main sensors — speedometer and tachometer are large.
The reason why many drivers install the Gazelle Business dashboard is simple - it looks better. The second reason why you should buy this particular version of the panel is the functionality and an increased number of opportunities to monitor the performance of the car.
Gazelle business dashboard design
The euro type panel has 2 large dials - a speedometer and a tachometer, as well as 2 small ones, which show the amount of gasoline and the temperature of the coolant.The rest of the information about the state of the nodes and the errors that have occurred is displayed using the burning signaling devices in the middle of the panel. A simpler design significantly relieves the driver's attention.
Gazelle car models
The disadvantage of such a panel is that on most Gazelles you will have to sweat a little when connected. The pinout diagram of the device is included, so there will be problems with the connection if you have not encountered such work before. You will also have to add a few terminals, and also change a few contacts so that all devices and sensors work correctly.
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In most cases, everything works fine without the slightest breakdown, but the new panel can still be finalized. Many people do not like the weak instrument lighting, which is practically useless at night. It is recommended to install LED lighting and diodes inside the devices and around the entire perimeter of the panel for better visual perception. The new Gazelle instrument panel has almost 20 indicators that light up when a malfunction occurs.
4 of them, which indicate the level of emergency oil pressure, overheating of the coolant, emergency amount of fluid in the brakes and the parking brake sensor, can indicate serious damage to the system.
If one of the above indicators lights up together with the STOP button, it is recommended that you do not start driving until the damage has been repaired.
Even if you change the panel to a Gazelle, you won’t be able to get rid of all the problems. Quite often, problems occur after replacement. Here are the most common ones:
individual sensors or the entire panel stops working;
"freeze" instrument readings;
sensors lie, the indicators are incorrect.
Most drivers panic, then disassemble the panel in parts, which only makes it worse. Here are a few solutions for most panels:
The first thing you should always do when such devices fail is to check the wire contacts. An open or breakdown can cause a malfunction. You should also look at nutrition. Pinout and instrument cluster on the Gazelle panel
If everything is in order, but the panel did not work, the controller is broken. In most cases, it is easier to buy a new panel than to replace the controller.
Individual sensors may fail due to a broken contact. Another reason could be a bad fuse.
The "Mode" button will help restore instrument performance if a system failure occurs.
Specifications Gazelle GAZ-27057
Since the electronic system is not improved with the replacement of the panel, and the instruments are more demanding, it is with the electronics that problems occur. Replacing the wiring and fuses most often solves the problem. Basically, reviews about the operation of the instrument panel are favorable, but on some older car models there are a number of problems that can only be solved by installing native tidy.
The instrument panel is only part of the euro kit for the Gazelle business.
Gazelle dashboard lighting
New Gazelle models come out with updated internal content, including a torpedo that houses the panel. Is it possible to install a new torpedo instead of the old one? This option is considered by many drivers, but most do not decide on such a serious interior tuning. The installation of the instrument panel is simple in that there is practically no need to finish anything in the design of the fasteners, and the seat matches the dimensions of the panel. A torpedo for a gazelle differs not only in its fastenings, but also in its shape, which makes it impossible to install it without significant modification of the design. You will have to figure out what to do with the euro torpedo yourself.
In some cases, for example, to repair the heating system, it is necessary to completely dismantle the torpedo. The process is not the easiest, because you need to know from which side to approach such an issue.
Repair and operation of the Gazelle
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Installing the Gazelle euro instrument panel is recommended for most owners of newer models. Some models conflict strongly due to incompatibility of electronics, but it is not always possible to accurately guess whether the panel will fit or not. The torpedo should be changed if possible.
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Three instrument clusters can be installed on cars of the GAZelle family of different years of production and trim levels: an old model of production until 2003, a new model of production from 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-4063, ZMZ-40522, UMZ-4215 and a new model of production since 2003 for cars with ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218 engines.
The instrument cluster combines all of the vehicle's instrumentation.
It includes a speedometer, total and daily mileage counters (in combinations of the old model of production until 2003 and a new model of production from 2003 for cars with ZMZ-4963 ZMZ-40522 and UM Z-4215 engines, mechanical counters, and in combination with a new model of production since 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218, the counters are located on the first liquid crystal display), an electronic tachometer (from 0 to 6000 min-1), a clock and a voltmeter on the second liquid crystal display (in combination with a new model of production with 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218), coolant temperature gauge, fuel level gauge, control and signal lamps, backlight lamps. Electromagnetic type temperature and fuel gauges.
In the instrument cluster of a new model of release since 2003 for cars with engines ZMZ-40524 and UMZ-4218, an audible alarm function is provided in the event of an emergency. In addition, it uses the modes of "night" and "day" backlighting of liquid crystal displays for easy viewing of readings.
The developers of the instrument cluster have also introduced a self-test mode, which allows you to control the correct operation of the pointers, the output of information on liquid crystal displays, and the operability of emergency signaling devices.
The instrument cluster is not repairable, therefore, in the event of failure of the instruments, it is replaced as an assembly.
The instrument panel is equipped with a combination of instruments, which combines in one case:
– speedometer (with total and daily mileage counters);
– indicators of coolant temperature, fuel level (with fuel reserve indicator), oil pressure indicator (with emergency pressure indicator);
- a block of signaling devices for the battery charge, high beam headlights, direction indicators, side light, emergency drop in the level of brake fluid and parking brake, overheating of the coolant, switching on the center differential lock of the transfer case (for 4x4 modification).
1. Disconnect the battery.
2. Using a short Phillips screwdriver, unscrew the two screws of the upper fastening of the instrument cluster lining
3. Using a screwdriver, unscrew the two self-tapping screws of the lower fastening of the instrument cluster lining
5. Using pliers, unscrew the nut securing the handle for resetting the daily mileage counter.
6. We sink the handle into the control panel.
7. With a long slotted screwdriver, unscrew the two screws from the ends of the instrument cluster
8. Having removed the instrument cluster from the panel, unscrew the nut securing the speedometer drive cable.
9. We disconnect three plug-in blocks from conclusions of a combination of devices. The pads differ in color and number of connectors, so you do not need to label them.
10.To replace the instrument illumination lamps, turn the cartridge counterclockwise and remove it from the instrument cluster.
11. Replace the defective lamp.
12. To replace the signaling lamp, turn the cartridge counterclockwise and remove it from the instrument cluster
13. We change the faulty lamp together with the cartridge
We assemble and install the instrument cluster in reverse order.
How to replace the old-style instrument cluster on the Gazelle with a new-style instrument cluster 385.3801-10. Here is a detailed description of the replacement of the shield. Many car owners of a Gazelle or Volga car with an old-style instrument panel tend to change it to a new-style instrument panel, in which most of the indicators have been replaced with modern LEDs, and such an instrument panel looks much prettier and brighter. But there is only one problem, one to one to change the instrument panel will not work. Either half of the indicators will not light, or vice versa, extra indicators will light. Let's figure out how to install a new-style instrument cluster (shield) 385.3801-10 instead of the old panel with bulbs 384.3801-10 that has served for many years. To begin with, we present to your attention a combination of instruments of the old and leg model.
In our case, we changed the instrument cluster on a Gazelle car with a ZMZ 405 Euro-2 engine and a Mikas 11 control unit. If you just take and put the instrument cluster without modifying the wiring, then our combination will work half. What will not work or work not as it should:
- The CHECK ENGINE indicator will not work (when the ignition is turned on, the indicator is off)
Why so, you ask. It's just that the wiring connectors lack the necessary contacts for the correct operation of the combination. Let's take a closer look at which contacts we need are missing, but first, let's give an example of the pinout of the old-style instrument cluster 384.3801-10
Connector XP1
XP2 connector
Connector XP2 Red
XP3 connector
Connector XP3 Black
XP4 connector
In order for the instrument cluster of the new sample 385.3801-10 to work on our wiring, you need to add the following contacts: EBD , if nothing is connected, the EBD indicator will be on ABS , if nothing is connected, the ABS indicator will be on
- pins 3 and 5 of the XP4 connector are simply swapped. For correct lamp operation CHECK ENGINE .
We also give the pinout of the instrument panel of the new sample 385.3801-10
Is it worth it to install a new Gazelle instrument panel in a car, or is the old panel quite suitable for use? The question is quite common, especially among those drivers who have had the opportunity to upgrade their car a little. Installing a new thing is worth it, but how much it will cost is another question.
Classic Gazelle dashboard
The instrument panel performs one function - informational. In a small area in the dashboard of the car, all the instruments with indicators of the operation of the car are placed, which is both good and not very good. While the driver is looking for an indicator, an indicator of speed, he is distracted from the road, creating the conditions for an emergency. Nevertheless, most Gazelle users eventually get used to the appearance of the panel and already intuitively inspect one or another part of it for information.
The standard panel on most modifications of the Gazelle looks like 3-5 round dials surrounded by several signaling devices. The main sensors — speedometer and tachometer are large.
The reason why many drivers install the Gazelle Business dashboard is simple - it looks better.The second reason why you should buy this particular version of the panel is the functionality and an increased number of opportunities to monitor the performance of the car.
Gazelle business dashboard design
The disadvantage of such a panel is that on most Gazelles you will have to sweat a little when connected. The pinout diagram of the device is included, so there will be problems with the connection if you have not encountered such work before. You will also have to add a few terminals, and also change a few contacts so that all devices and sensors work correctly.
VIDEO
In most cases, everything works fine without the slightest breakdown, but the new panel can still be finalized. Many people do not like the weak instrument lighting, which is practically useless at night. It is recommended to install LED lighting and diodes inside the devices and around the entire perimeter of the panel for better visual perception. The new Gazelle instrument panel has almost 20 indicators that light up when a malfunction occurs.
4 of them, which indicate the level of emergency oil pressure, overheating of the coolant, emergency amount of fluid in the brakes and the parking brake sensor, can indicate serious damage to the system.
If one of the above indicators lights up together with the STOP button, it is recommended that you do not start driving until the damage has been repaired.
Even if you change the panel to a Gazelle, you won’t be able to get rid of all the problems. Quite often, problems occur after replacement. Here are the most common ones:
individual sensors or the entire panel stops working;
"freeze" instrument readings;
sensors lie, the indicators are incorrect.
Most drivers panic, then disassemble the panel in parts, which only makes it worse. Here are a few solutions for most panels:
The first thing you should always do when such devices fail is to check the wire contacts. An open or breakdown can cause a malfunction. You should also look at nutrition.
Pinout and instrument cluster on the Gazelle panel
Since the electronic system is not improved with the replacement of the panel, and the instruments are more demanding, it is with the electronics that problems occur. Replacing the wiring and fuses most often solves the problem.
The instrument panel is only part of the euro kit for the Gazelle business.
Gazelle dashboard lighting
In some cases, for example, to repair the heating system, it is necessary to completely dismantle the torpedo. The process is not the easiest, because you need to know from which side to approach such an issue.
Gazelle until 2009. Removal and disassembly of the instrument panel - part 2
. five self-tapping screws in the central part of the instrument panel.
. and one next to the switch for the left row of interior lighting.
We remove the lining of the instrument panel, removing its two lower latches from engagement with the instrument panel.
Using a Phillips screwdriver, unscrew the six screws securing the outer panel of the glove box cover.
and remove the outer panel.
By compressing the spring, we remove the axis of the glove box cover from the lug.
Similarly, we derive the axis from the eyelet on the other side of the cover.
. and remove the glove box cover.
With the “8” head, we unscrew the five screws securing the glove box.
Using a Phillips screwdriver, unscrew the two screws securing the glove box lock retainer.
Using a Phillips screwdriver, unscrew the screw securing the right deflector.
Using the “8” head on the inside of the instrument panel, unscrew the second self-tapping screw for fastening the deflector.
Remove the deflector from the instrument panel.
On the inside of the instrument panel.
. with the “8” head, we unscrew the four self-tapping screws for fastening the two brackets for attaching the glove box.
With the “8” head, we unscrew the three screws of the lower fastening of the glove box.
We disconnect the block of wires from the ceiling light of the glove box.
Squeezing the latches, remove the backlight holder from the cigarette lighter.
The instrument cluster of a Gazelle car can be of two types: old and new, electronic. As on most other cars, it includes four instruments (coolant temperature gauge, fuel gauge) and warning lamps, twelve of them. A printed circuit board is installed on the inside of the case, the outputs of which go to two plugs: white (X1) and red (X2). Options for a complete failure in the operation of the instrument cluster of a Gazelle car,
If the instrument needles are at zero, then what can the driver do in this situation? Most likely, in this case, the contact in the circuit from the battery to terminal 87 of the ignition switch unload relay is broken. Therefore, he will have to check the safety of the fuses, the condition of the pads included in this electrical circuit and the connection of the instrument cluster to ground. On the white block (X1) of the instrument panel, the ground wire goes to plug 1, and on the red block (X2), the ground wire goes to plug 3. If the above actions did not give any result, then again there are two ways out: either, you will have to replace the instrument cluster by purchasing a new one; or try to independently check the printed circuit board for breaks. True, the cost of a new instrument cluster is quite high, more than 10 thousand rubles.
VIDEO So you can try to restore it, although the manufacturer believes that the instrument cluster cannot be repaired. Often peeling of circuit board tracks is due to a lot of pressure on the pad connector when assembling them. Therefore, breaks in the tracks, you can try to solder in order to restore the instrument panel to working capacity. The reason for the off-scale devices may be a malfunction of the controller of the electronic control unit Mikas 10. 3, this malfunction occurs more often in the cold season. In this case, it is necessary to carry out diagnostics and the error that has arisen, erase it by updating the software to a more recent serial version. Also, a similar malfunction may appear after the controller is flashed. Hello. Please answer two questions, I did not find it in the topic or overlooked it.
VIDEO The second time since 2004, the odometer has screwed up, the speedometer needle works, and the numbers either spin or not. I believe that if it were because of the harness or sensor, then the arrow would not work either, but it shows the speed regularly. Question 1. Or am I wrong, and because of the harness or sensor, it may be that the speed shows, but there are no numbers? When the first time the same story was, I replaced the device - everything worked. And now the jamb: these speedometers disappeared in stores, and recently they cost more than 2000 rubles. But for 4000 you can buy a new tidy entirely from a business gazelle. And in one of the stores they told me that those speedometers-odometers had ceased to be made. Question 2. If you put a tidy from a business gazelle instead of mine, will it fit stupidly, or will it have to be adjusted? Motor 406 carb. Gazelle 2004
Thank you. Be quiet.you probably don't know. Okay, maybe someone can help. About yourself beloved. Dismantled the instrument. I jacked up the wheel, the motor, which twitches back and forth on the odometer, but does not spin. Poked with a tester. Three wires are suitable for the motor, on the middle red is the mains voltage. White and blue wires around the edges. Weight. When checking with red in motion, when the gimbal is spinning, a pulsating voltage occurs, with frequent accelerating with increasing speed. Both blue and white. I tear off and call the motor. Ringing in one direction from the middle, not in the other. The motor burned out. Stepper motor. DSh32-2.5-22.5. 12 volts Tomorrow I'm going to look around the city. Interesting price. The speedometer for one and a half rolls over, and they say they stopped producing. There is no such DSh for sale. And there are no others. DS only, it won't fit. All the radio magicians of the glorious city of Saratov passed, there is no DSh. Probably they were only made by special order for tidy.
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I found out in different Gazovsky stores, they all say that the Kaluga plant has stopped making such tidy, and now everyone who breaks tidy like I put a business tidy instead of it. There are also four connectors, the same fastening screws. But in one store they said that some kind of wire on the tachometer should be thrown additionally. xs. Therefore, with your permission, I will repeat the question, Are there those who put a business tidy instead of a tidy car of a pre-business release? What wires are missing? And poke me with your nose in email. scheme of a business gazelle and mine, if possible. Do not be lazy, poke Claudia. Gazelle passenger, I work only on orders, without an odometer it is impossible, how then to take money from people for mileage! The post has been edited by Shurik 60: 14 April 2013 – 12:51
