Fan vaz 2110 DIY repair

In detail: do-it-yourself vaz 2110 fan repair from a real master for the site my.housecope.com.

In this article we will consider such a process as removing the radiator fan VAZ 2110. Why remove it? Well, there can be many reasons - from malfunctions of the fan itself, ending with getting to the radiator.

What is required for such a repair? Just a 10-key and a Phillips screwdriver.

First of all, we prepare the car for removing the fan, for this:

  1. We partially drain the antifreeze so that you can unscrew the upper radiator pipe and coolant does not pour from it.
  2. We fold the terminals from the battery and remove it.
  3. We tear off the air filter housing from the rubber clips. For convenience, so that it does not interfere at all, we unscrew the clamp of the connecting pipe and disconnect the falsified corrugation from below.

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4. Disconnect the fan power supply terminal.

5. Next, an open-end or socket key "for 10" will come in handy. We unscrew the nut of the lower mounting of the fan.

6. Now top. (In some VAZ 2110 models there are 2 nuts for attaching the fan. In 16-valve models, there is one nut at the top and on the side).

7. Next, let the clamp on the upper radiator pipe and remove the pipe.

8. Now you can lift the fan up.

This completes the process of removing the VAZ 2110 radiator fan.

Next, consider the process of disassembling the radiator fan.

For this type of work, in addition to a 10 key and a screwdriver, you will need a 13 key.

  1. Using the "10" key, unscrew the fan motor from the plastic casing.

2. Take out the clip that holds the wiring harness.

3. Next, using the "13" wrench, unscrew the impeller fastening nut. At the same time, we hold the impeller so that it does not rotate.

Video (click to play).

So we removed the VAZ 2110 radiator fan from the car and disassembled it.

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Since the Fan of the Engine Cooling System (VSOD) on the VAZ 2110 has only one speed of work, then many do not like abrupt behavior of the coolant arrow on the dashboard. Yes and abrupt start of the fan I want a radiator how to smooth out 🙂 There is a solution to the issue, and not even one!

Cons of a standard cooling system:

  1. The presence of the "thermal pumping" effect (the temperature in a hot period of time constantly fluctuates from the point of turning on the radiator fan (carlson) to the point of turning it off).
  2. Electric shock (current) loads on the on-board network.

Let's consider the moment of operation of the radiator fan in more detail:

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The normal fan operation has two features:

  1. Fan capacity is excessive. The temperature of the heatsink drops rapidly, resulting in frequent start-stop of the fan motor.
  2. The response temperature of the coolant sensor is too high. The indicator arrow approaches the red zone, the engine is unstable, it may “boil”.

For normal, correct operation of the cooling system, it would be better to lower the fan speed and start the electric motor smoothly, through an additional resistance and install a coolant sensor from the "classic" with a lower response temperature.

The thermal mode of the engine is maintained by a thermostat and an electric radiator fan.The latter is turned on by a sensor screwed into the left radiator tank (on a VAZ 2110 carburetor engine) or through a relay on a signal from an ECU (on VAZ 2111, -2112 injection engines).

If the old radiator cannot be repaired anymore and you decide to replace it, then it is a good opportunity to choose and buy a new one. For example, the Luzar radiator is adapted for both injection and carburetor engines (it is possible to install a coolant temperature sensor (DTOZH) from the carburetor).

If install an additional coolant sensor (DTOZH) in the radiator / pipe, then it will turn out like this: When the coolant temperature reaches the level of the sensor, the fan turns on at half force. And if the temperature rises and rises to the level of operation by the ECU, then it will begin to work at full strength.

Dual mode fan has a number of advantages:

  1. A "softer" temperature regime of the engine without strong temperature fluctuations;
  2. Reducing the load on the system by the starting currents of the electric motor by reducing their number and magnitude;
  3. Reduced noise.

Diagram and photo of the installed device:
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Alternative connection schemes, but the meaning is the same:
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After this revision, a button appears in your salon (you can draw a karslon on it 🙂). In summer, in traffic jams, you press a button and your carlson smoothly turns on, which works while the button is pressed at low speeds (this speed is enough so that the coolant temperature does not rise above 90-95 degrees). But if suddenly it rises higher, then the standard 2nd maximum speed is turned on.

The advantages of this system:

  1. The coolant temperature is already more stable and does not jump as before
  2. There are no sudden power surges from turning on the fan.

To turn on the carlson at low speeds, an additional relay was supplied. Since VSOD and the heater fan consume almost the same current - 15.2A / 14A, I used a heater resistor as a current limiter. Current protection is also provided by the standard fuse F7.

You will need:

  1. Relay 4-pin
  2. Heater resistance VAZ 2110
  3. Wires
  4. Button (set with a snowflake)
  5. Terminals mom + dad (many pieces)

The scheme is simple: parallel to the standard fan relay Pv, an additional relay Pv2 is connected, manually controlled by the Sv2 button. When the relay Rv2 is turned on, the fan closes to ground through the resistance Rv2, which ensures slow rotation. The standard circuit works in the same mode; upon a signal from the controller, the fan turns on at full speed.
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We remove the terminal from the battery.
We climb under the torpedo from the passenger side at the feet, unscrew the lid and see 3 relays. We need a fan relay.

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We are looking for a thin pink-black wire coming from the main relay (pin 85 *) and a thick power white-black wire (pin 87) and hook up our relay to them.
* according to the book, on different models of the VAZ 10th family, the pink-black wire of the main relay can come to both pin 86 and 85. We focus on the color of the wires. We do not touch the black-magenta (black-red) thin wire coming from the controller.

Next, we set the heater resistance. The stores sell different resistances, preferably in isolation. (for example, for Niva or dozens), which, apparently, can be placed right there without any consequences - in the cabin under the torpedo, next to the relay. These are the ones I advise you to purchase if you do not want to experience additional difficulties during installation.

I advise you to take the resistance of the heater 2110
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Returning to the relay box:
Contact 1 resistance - to terminal 30
Pin 3 - on the mass of the car
Button - to terminal 86 of our relay.
Second contact of the button - on the ground.
We install the standard relays in place. Our additional relay is screwed by the ear to the controller bracket.
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The resistance can be fixed in the same place next to the relyuhs, it does not heat up very much, but so that the resistance does not come into contact with the wiring, it is imperative to place it in a metal case.

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We put on the battery terminal and turn on the ignition.
We check the performance of the circuit.

Why is the damping resistor heating up?
Because quite a lot of power is allocated on it. In absolute numbers, it looks like this:
The maximum current that the fan consumes is 15.3A (source); let's say that this is the starting current, and the working current, for example, is 10A. By connecting in series to it a VAZ 2110 heater resistor with a resistance of 0.23 Ohm (source), we limit the current and, accordingly, the speed. But at the same time, a current will flow through the resistor

8.57A, i.e. the resistor will drop 1.97 V. Accordingly, multiply 8.57A by 1.97V - we get 16.88 W, which is a lot. And if the current consumed by the fan in the steady state is more than ten amperes, then the power released at the additional resistor will accordingly be greater.

To say that I am satisfied with the first result is to say nothing. I just trudge quietly. The fan at low speed works almost silently, its sound is comparable to the sound of a gasoline pump. At full speed, it now either does not turn on at all, or turns on very rarely. Turning on occurs smoothly, without shock load on the generator and voltage dips.
At +30, the coolant temperature floated in the range 93-95 and did not rise above 96.

If the temperature of the engine is outside the normal range, then the engine cooling system should be diagnosed.

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What is the best way to modify the start of the engine fan?

The next step is to check the fuse for the electric fan of the cooling system (F7 at 20A in the mounting block). By the way, the same fuse is also responsible for the sound signal, so if it does not work, then 100% of the fuse should be replaced. We also check the radiator fan relay in the additional fuse box.

Now we turn to the electric fan itself, which is installed on the radiator. How to check the radiator fan? It's very simple, you need to connect it directly to the battery, if the fan turns on, then it is working properly.Image - Fan vaz 2110 DIY repair

We also check the sensor for turning on the radiator fan:

  1. If the carburetor, then we close the contacts on the sensor, which is located in the radiator. If the fan turns on, then the sensor is faulty.
  2. If there is an injector, then we throw off the connector from the sensor, which is located next to the thermostat. Because The radiator fan is controlled by an ECU (the brains of the machine), so the fan must turn on in emergency mode. If this happens, then the sensor is inoperative (see diagrams of SOD engine. And carb.).

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The last possible reason why the electric fan does not work is an open circuit. We are looking for a wire break, and we check all the contacts using the circuits of the electric fan of the cooling system:Image - Fan vaz 2110 DIY repair

The fan of the engine cooling system did not work for me for a reason ..

This review is not exactly what people are used to seeing here, but I think the information contained in it will help someone from the owners of the "dozen".

VAZ cars of the 10th family are very common in Russia and the CIS countries. Like all domestic cars, they suffer from a whole mass of "congenital diseases". Here is one common "ailment" - "antifreeze goes somewhere all the time. "And" the expansion tank is cracking all the time. "Yes, I heard, and the new "Kalin" "antifreeze goes somewhere." To be honest, it was difficult to diagnose this "ailment", but it was instructive.

First of all, any sensible driver (and even a car mechanic) considers the expansion tank, hoses suitable for it. And already on the first examination, he makes a diagnosis - the expansion tank is leaking, it must be changed. Indeed, it is very wet around the cistern. We change. But the problem remains. Bad, however, cisterns.

Once I noticed that the "reservoir leaks" only if the electric radiator fan was turned on while driving. A strange conclusion. But the fact! And even weirder - the tank does not leak if the stove is on. Even stranger. I decided to watch this process. I started the engine and, opening the hood, left it to idle, and even in hot weather. A few minutes later, the tank began to "leak", but so abundantly! And then, about three seconds later, the radiator fan turned on. And the "leakage" of the tank stopped.

The problem was that the motor simply boiled, and the steam drove the liquid into the expansion tank, where, under the pressure of this vapor, the relief valve in the tank lid opened. And through this valve, the pressure drove the liquid out. Then, when the radiator fan turned on, the temperature in the system quickly dropped and the boiling stopped. Result - a glass of antifreeze is gone.

Everything is obvious - the fan turns on too late, when the coolant has already reached the boiling point.

Of course, having experience in operating Moskvich-2141, VAZ-21099, I naively thought that the thermocouple sensor on the radiator, which in these machines turns on the fan when the liquid in the radiator is heated, does not work well. But it took me about an hour to search for this sensor on the “dozens” radiator in vain. It turns out that this sensor is simply not in the top ten, and the decision on whether to turn on the radiator fan or not to turn it on is taken by the on-board computer, mainly focusing on the engine temperature gauge sensor. Like this!

Well, the temperature sensor of the temperature gauge may be faulty. I change it. Again, the result is a complete "logical zero".

Since the car was very badly and urgently needed by the owner - my relative, I had to build a temporary circuit to manually turn on the fan. Gave instructions to the owner, - How will it be more than 90O on the "arrow", turn it on! And so go, and as it falls below 90O turn it off. The happy owner almost kissed me the next day with joy that "the tank no longer cracks" and "the antifreeze does not go away."

But practically the problem was not solved, and it was necessary to return to it later. It seems to be the fault of the idiotic computer firmware that turns on the fan too late. As a result, the pressure rises in the system and either the antifreeze flows out through the valve on the expansion tank cover, or the tank bursts. Of course, the best solution is to change the firmware. But changing the firmware can affect other parameters of the machine as well. And in everything except antifreeze there was order - and good economy, and sufficient agility of the car, easy start in winter. No, they decided not to change the firmware, but to try to trick the computer by connecting a constant resistor in parallel with the thermal sensor, so that the computer "thought" that the temperature is 10 percent higher than it actually is. I began to carry out experiments with the sensor and found that in order for the fan to turn on before the liquid boils, it is necessary to turn on a 9.1 kΩ resistor in parallel to it.

And so he did. While it was hot, everything was fine, but in our northern latitudes in the summer it is + 30 ° C during the day, and at night there can be frosts up to 0 ° C. On such a frosty summer night, the car did not start until the resistor was turned off.

As they say, I had to return to the drawings. The resistance of the thermal sensor at room temperature is 2.5 kOhm, if it is placed in a refrigerator on ice, the resistance rises to 9-10 kOhm. In boiling water - 0.5 kOhm.So it turns out that by switching on 9.1 kOhm in parallel, we lower the "hot" resistance by about 5%, but the cold one by as much as 60%. Therefore, on a cold engine, the computer “thinks” that the engine is warm enough and does not take cold start measures.

Of course, a radical measure could be to replace the VAZ-2110 radiator with a radiator from a VAZ-2108 with a thermocouple sensor installed on it for turning on the fan. But this is too costly and time consuming.

In general, I had to leave the thermo-soda alone and go the other way. I disconnected the fan relay coil from the computer and instructed it to control it with a simple home-made thermostat, the diagram of which is shown in the photo.

Thermistor R2 is the second thermal sensor, which was bought in vain, thinking that the regular one is faulty. The working cylinder of the temperature sensor was thickly covered with heat-conducting paste, and strapped to the metal of the car's radiator. Then I spread more heat-conducting paste on top of it.

The switch-on temperature is controlled by a variable resistor R3. This must be a multi-turn variable resistor. Resistor R4 must be selected according to the value of the required hysteresis.

Relay K1 is a standard relay for turning on the fan; it is completely disconnected from the computer. Or an additional relay can be used.

Instead of the KR140UD608 op-amp, you can use any general-purpose op-amp.

I sent a more detailed version of this article to the magazine "Radiokonstruktor", they promised to publish it in No. 7 for 2010.

Many owners of the domestic “ten” complain that the VAZ 2110 cooling fan does not work for them. The problem is quite common, but to eliminate it it is not at all necessary to resort to the help of specialists, to pay a lot of money to car service masters for finding and eliminating the cause of the problem.

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All this can be done by hand. Today we will tell you exactly how this is done.

The cooling system includes many components. Among those of interest to us today, which can cause malfunctions of the radiator fan, we note:

  • Electric fan. This unit is put into operation when the coolant temperature reaches 100-105 degrees Celsius;
  • Fan activation sensor. It is configured to operate within the specified temperature range. The sensor is located on the inlet pipe of the cylinder block (marking from the sensor factory - LS0112);
  • Fuse marked F7. It is located in the mounting block;
  • Relay fan. You will find this unit already in the cabin, under the right panel of the front console.

If the radiator fan does not work on your VAZ 2110, the cause of the malfunction should be looked for in the above system elements. Although there may be one situation in which the electrical circuit has nothing to do with the malfunction.

Knowing physics, you will agree that at normal atmospheric pressure, the water that is part of the antifreeze boils at a temperature of 100 degrees Celsius.

To fix this problem, you should replace the cover of the expansion tank. The new element must maintain the pressure inside the system above atmospheric, which will allow the laws of physics to work, the boiling temperature to rise to 105 degrees Celsius and thereby turn on the blades of the unit.